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[Nuld]

Hello all,
I've just jumped back into the sim racing world (who hasn't!) after a 20 year hiatus (Grand Prix Legends...Microsoft non-FF Sidewinder wheel). A few weeks in and I am loving ACC. I'm happy with my progress so far (20 min races .. 59s at Silverstone, 42s at Kyalami, nothing blistering, but getting better all the time). I have a G920 and moded AXC-Sim brake. However, I am still reacting to the cars movement visually from the screen rather than through the visual and steering wheel 'feel'.
Is understeer and oversteer something that I would subliminally learn over time?
Is this a G920 thing (I have watched many ACC G29/920 set up videos!)
Is it an ACC thing? AC seems for more obvious to the cars movement.
Or more likely, is it me? If I upgraded to a DD wheel would that feeling of push or pull be more obvious in this game?

 

[BrightCandle]

AC is far more obvious, ACCs FFB is quite different. ACC delivers feeling of weight better but is more focussed on steering column FFB where AC is informational in addition to the steering column. It is just one of the things that just isn't as good in ACC as AC.

 

[Nuld]

AC is far more obvious, ACCs FFB is quite different. ACC delivers feeling of weight better but is more focussed on steering column FFB where AC is informational in addition to the steering column. It is just one of the things that just isn't as good in ACC as AC.

Ah OK. Shame as they're from the same fold?!?! But you may have just saved me £2,000

 

[MPortnoy]

Saying that it's different than AC doesn't mean you can't feel slippage or oversteer in ACC.
I'm in a TS-PC so I can't speak for a G920 but for me the game changer was the Dynamic Damping. I personally use it at 100%. During early days of testing, the more I lowered it, the harder I found to catch slides and sense any movement and weight from the car translated to the wheel.

This is the most important setting to play with imo to get the feeling you're looking for, but I can tell you I can definitely feel the car in the TS-PC.

Nowadays it feels very natural to me and can jump between ACC and rF2 very easily as I'm getting the same feel in both sims.

 

[Nuld]

Saying that it's different than AC doesn't mean you can't feel slippage or oversteer in ACC.
I'm in a TS-PC so I can't speak for a G920 but for me the game changer was the Dynamic Damping. I personally use it at 100%. During early days of testing, the more I lowered it, the harder I found to catch slides and sense any movement and weight from the car translated to the wheel.

This is the most important setting to play with imo to get the feeling you're looking for, but I can tell you I can definitely feel the car in the TS-PC.

Nowadays it feels very natural to me and can jump between ACC and rF2 very easily as I'm getting the same feel in both sims.

Cool I'll try it out. I'm currently running damper at 40% and crack it up to see if this helps. Thanks.

 

[DrRob]

I would put it in a different perspective: Going back from ACC to AC the FFB in AC felt quite comical and over accentuated. Especially the oversteer.

The tyre model in ACC is quite different from AC, so this might also play a role. In ACC the peak performance window of the tyres is quite narrow. The peak is quite noticeable or rather when you're overrunning that peak. Aris explained it in one of his videos quite strikingly.

I feel the most pronounced tyre slip-angle effect with the Ferrari 488GT3. It feels like "on-off" when you overturn the wheel and your tyres begin to slip/slide. If you turn on the peak the car should feel like on rails through faster turns. It took some time to actually grasp the working window of the tyres. It is so easy to overdrive the tyre with too much steering input and too high corner entry speeds.

Now I am quite used to it and really love how it feels. My advice would be to give it some time to get used to ACC and its unique approach to tyre physics.

 

[Nuld]

I would put it in a different perspective: Going back from ACC to AC the FFB in AC felt quite comical and over accentuated. Especially the oversteer.

The tyre model in ACC is quite different from AC, so this might also play a role. In ACC the peak performance window of the tyres is quite narrow. The peak is quite noticeable or rather when you're overrunning that peak. Aris explained it in one of his videos quite strikingly.

I feel the most pronounced tyre slip-angle effect with the Ferrari 488GT3. It feels like "on-off" when you overturn the wheel and your tyres begin to slip/slide. If you turn on the peak the car should feel like on rails through faster turns. It took some time to actually grasp the working window of the tyres. It is so easy to overdrive the tyre with too much steering input and too high corner entry speeds.

Now I am quite used to it and really love how it feels. My advice would be to give it some time to get used to ACC and its unique approach to tyre physics.

Good info, thank you. I'm only 3 weeks into racing again, so maybe I'm not in-tune with the nuances of the tyre model and FF yet. I am loving ACC over AC, rF2 and PGR2, so I'll try a variety of wheel setups. my 'rig' is pretty poor and moves a lot so that probably doesn't help (just waiting for a delivery from Sim-Lab to upgrade!!)

 

[maelstrom]

Ah OK. Shame as they're from the same fold?

A lot of it is down to the decision by Kunos to make the ACC steering closer to the real thing by avoiding artificial forces which are introduced in other sims to give cues which would normally rely on “seat-of-the-pants”. Some like it and some don’t.

 

[Nuld]

A lot of it is down to the decision by Kunos to make the ACC steering closer to the real thing by avoiding artificial forces which are introduced in other sims to give cues which would normally rely on “seat-of-the-pants”. Some like it and some don’t.

thanks man