T3PA potentiometers??

Has anyone ever figured out a replacement for the T3PA pedal potentiometers? I know it should be as easy as going to mouser or digikey, but apparently the pots Thrustmaster used are some kind of magical unicorn pots that can't be found?? And they conveniently won't sell you a replacement if your out of warranty..

It's just a little ol, non special looking, thing? B25K60* (apparently the 60* rotation is the hang up?) Thanks for any help!
 

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If that 60 means 60 degrees, then yes, they are less common and harder to find. I presume that when you move it by hand it only rotates over 60 degrees?

But if the potentiometer is used as a voltage divider (as is rather likely), then it doesn't matter very much what the resistance is. So any 60 degree one with somewhat similar resistance (e.g. say 5k to 100k) should do equally well. You probably want a linear taper (not logarithmic).

Good luck.
 
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Yea, only rotates 60 degrees. I've read they were once used in old pinball machines and possibly musical instruments, but so far haven't had any luck finding them.
 
I'm afraid it will be a daunting task to find replacements.

Would be better to Upgrade to hall sensors, but with the trouble involved I'd just say your pedals are eol (End of Live )

If money is a problem maybe get by by putting the clutch pot into the accelerator or try to find good (little) used pedals.

But don' t put much money in Poti pedals, this is the age of the hall sensor/loadcell pedal.

Especially the loadcell brake makes a big difference in driving control.

If you are on PC your free to choose your pedals, on console there's only the TM T LCM .

MFG Carsten
 
Thanks for the replies fellas! Yea, they (TM) stopped selling pots. They'll apparently still support them, but only if your under warranty. I saw a thread on the hall sensor, but it's not got hardly any info. Think it's from Tommy Racing or something like that. I'll have to check again and will post the link here. Also, it's not a money issue for me. Just hate to throw away a decent set of pedals due to pots going bad. In the meantime I've swapped the clutch and brake and opened all 3 pots and cleaned with electrical contact cleaner. They're working ok again but I've heard it's a short lived fix.
 
. In the meantime I've swapped the clutch and brake and opened all 3 pots and cleaned with electrical contact cleaner. They're working ok again but I've heard it's a short lived fix.
I´m afraid that´s true.

I´ve been through the pot turbulences myself and that´s why I recommend to let aging pot pedals die and start fresh.

. Just hate to throw away a decent set of pedals due to pots going bad
Thats a sentiment I share, but not only are your T3PAs end of life, there is also a lot of performance to be gained with loadcell pedals.

MFG Carsten
 
The first pot on my T3PA Pros had signs of failure and cleaning it with electronic spray didn't help.

I couldn't find anything suitable as a replacement straight away and didn't want to order the wrong thing, so I opened a ticket with Thrustmaster support.
I gave them the serial number (with a photo) and wrote that I needed replacement pots and that the pedals were out of warranty. It did take a few days (7 working days) for the pots to be on their way, as support apparently only answers emails once a day.
I paid €18 for 3 pots. plus shipping to Germany it was €23.86. The pots were 1:1 the same as installed, came with a plastic gear but without a connection cable, but no problem if you can use a soldering iron.
 
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I gave them the serial number (with a photo) and wrote that I needed replacement pots and that the pedals were out of warranty. It did take a few days (7 working days) for the pots to be on their way, as support apparently only answers emails once a day.
Excellent, but (see above) people believe that this is no longer the case.
Was your experience recent or some years ago?
 
I have found suitable replacements for the g29 pedals (Sorry should have been specific with that). Bought 10 a couple months ago.
Glad you found a replacement, but they don't seem to have the same spec as the originals.
How are they working out for you in practice?

My fear would be that the resolution is massively reduced, because the (custom/weird) Logitech originals were designed for a ~70 degree rotation angle, vs. a more typical value of 300 degrees like the ones you bought.

Adding in the fact that the whole Logitech analog to digital system, in my G27 at least, wasn't very well tuned up, providing only about 170 different values from 0-100% pedal travel (should have been much closer to the 256 levels an 8-bit ADC would permit), and my best guess would be that with a 300-degree pot you'd only get around 40 discrete values from the full pedal travel. Still much better than brake/throttle control with a keyboard, of course.
(Personally I went for a 3DRap kit, which had some 3D-printed gears to amplify the angular range for an off-the-shelf pot. A bit clunky but usable.)
 
Glad you found a replacement, but they don't seem to have the same spec as the originals.
How are they working out for you in practice?

My fear would be that the resolution is massively reduced, because the (custom/weird) Logitech originals were designed for a ~70 degree rotation angle, vs. a more typical value of 300 degrees like the ones you bought.

Adding in the fact that the whole Logitech analog to digital system, in my G27 at least, wasn't very well tuned up, providing only about 170 different values from 0-100% pedal travel (should have been much closer to the 256 levels an 8-bit ADC would permit), and my best guess would be that with a 300-degree pot you'd only get around 40 discrete values from the full pedal travel. Still much better than brake/throttle control with a keyboard, of course.
(Personally I went for a 3DRap kit, which had some 3D-printed gears to amplify the angular range for an off-the-shelf pot. A bit clunky but usable.)


Ok so I waited to respond until I could disassemble everything and look at rotation of the pots. I originally was just going to say, "they work fine" but I wanted look into that rotation thing first.

I have 3 sets of logitech pedals I looked at. One each from a g25, g27, and g29. Each pot from the pedals are 300 degrees, same as the replacements. When they are assembled, they only use about 70 degrees of the 300 available.

Watching the actual response (red/green bars on screen), the new pots look much smoother than the Logitech ones. Does that mean better resolution? I know its only a visual but thats how it seems. It could also just be that the Logitech pots are jittery from being old and dirty.

Another things I noticed was my braking was instantly more precise and consistent. Again, could be due to old worn pots but I really doubt that. My brake was already nearly perfect for my driving style because of the way I have modified the pedals. There was never any strange spiking. I actually only needed to replace the throttle but just did all 3 on each set so I wouldnt have to take it all apart anytime soon. Lol but I had to anyway, you know?

TLDR; The pots seem to be a perfect replacement, possibly an upgrade. The only modification required is snipping of the eyelet off each connector prong.
 
Watching the actual response (red/green bars on screen), the new pots look much smoother than the Logitech ones. Does that mean better resolution? I know its only a visual but thats how it seems. It could also just be that the Logitech pots are jittery from being old and dirty.
Yeah, not being old and dirty is probably a massive win here. The resolution thing isn't trivial to detect with the naked eye, depending on the length (in pixels) of the bar. An expensive pedal might claim 12- to 16-bit resolution, and thus deliver thousands of distinct values over the full pedal range, but even then, I'm not certain you could readily tell that apart from a pedal that only delivers 40 or 50 distinct values (as I'm guessing yours now may do), if you use something like the Assetto Corsa throttle bar to check them.
I have 3 sets of logitech pedals I looked at. One each from a g25, g27, and g29. Each pot from the pedals are 300 degrees, same as the replacements. When they are assembled, they only use about 70 degrees of the 300 available.
So, just to clarify what I was getting at: the original pots do have quite a lot of mechanical rotation (I can't recall, but maybe as much as 300 degrees) but they deliver their full output resistance/voltage swing over a very small angle - nominally just 70 degrees. This is why I'm estimating that you'll suffer when using a normal 300 degree pot.

See below for pics of the exterior of an original pot ("10K/70" is the crucial text) and the carbon track inside a disassembled one. You can see that the contact point wear lines scored into the carbon track have a pretty restricted angular extent, of roughly 60 degrees (even though the track itself extends over roughly 180 degrees).
You can also just about make out the key "unusual" thing about the pots - the metal track continues a long way underneath the carbon on both sides of the worn patch. This I imagine is how the pot generates the full swing over a restricted angular range. Thinking about it now, it may actually be possible to retrofit an existing pot with some kind of extra metal/conductive strip to short out the first and last portions of the carbon track, and amplify the resistance/voltage swing per unit angle over the remainder...

(FWIW, I eventually stopped using the 3DRap kit, reinstalled the original pots, and swapped to cheap and cheerful DIY Hall sensors developed with @GeekyDeaks - see here for dev thread and here for a (reasonably!) polished end-result.)

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