2023 Formula One Italian Grand Prix

Pete Conway · Sep 4, 2023

markg88 said:
I reckon the desire by both Ferrari drivers to get on the podium was what made them race so hard. Fine by me, I enjoyed it but not sure if the team boss was quite so happy about it privately.

Fred's call of don't take risks I feel was right, he's a Racer and for the most part let them race in Italy's temple of speed, that was a breath of fresh air that I want to see more often in the future, "do not crash into your team mate... but if you can pass him, go for it"

Turk · Sep 4, 2023

markg88 said:
I reckon the desire by both Ferrari drivers to get on the podium was what made them race so hard. Fine by me, I enjoyed it but not sure if the team boss was quite so happy about it privately.

I can see it from Leclerc's point of view, he wanted to beat Sainz but I think Ferrari could have maybe tried some team work to at least try and get ahead of Perez.
The whole team side of things seems to be were Ferrari fails the most. They may have lots of talented individuals but they often don't seem to gel to well.

Peter Kerényi · Sep 4, 2023

As a Ferrari fan (help me) I was furious with Leclerc. When my boss pays me millions and asks me for no risks, I am not gonna take risks. Imagine both Ferraris DNF at Monza, while at least one was on the podium. It was so close and not once. Race like that when you are with friends driving go karts...

This is one of the problems with Ferrari. Since the VET/RAI era they don't have the balls to stand up to their drivers. Oh their poor feelings might get hurt...

pcraenme · Sep 4, 2023

Richard Wilks said:
He is been doing that all his career. He has more collisions with other people than probably Senna, Schumacher and Max all combined...

Even when he was driving the fastest car on the grid, he was doing this…. most recent memories for me with Max and Gasly (when he was driving at RB). He now is driving a slower car and therefor has to take more risk (like Max had to do when he was in the slower car during the Mercedes dominance) and I can understand better that this will happen more often, but still should be penalized accordingly. And 5 seconds was just a big joke.

markg88 · Sep 4, 2023

pcraenme said:
Even when he was driving the fastest car on the grid, he was doing this…. most recent memories for me with Max and Gasly (when he was driving at RB). He now is driving a slower car and therefor has to take more risk (like Max had to do when he was in the slower car during the Mercedes dominance) and I can understand better that this will happen more often, but still should be penalized accordingly. And 5 seconds was just a big joke.

I agree, mostly, in that a driver of a lesser car has to be a bit 'ballsy' but that's a lot different to some of the collisions Hamilton has had, they aren't 'ballsy,' they're either misjudgement, red-mist (Silverstone 21 for example), or feeling affronted because his image is all-important to him.

Damage Inc · Sep 4, 2023

Mekonrider said:
The Ferrari scrap was entertaining. Had quite enough heart in mouth stuff earlier in the day with the horrendous MotoGP crash. Motorsport certainly is dangerous.

God.... when I saw Pecco's highside I was "farking EEELLLLL"!!!! then as he was sliding around on the track I closed my eyes.....bloody lucky, could have been WAY worse.

Damage Inc · Sep 4, 2023

markg88 said:
I agree, mostly, in that a driver of a lesser car has to be a bit 'ballsy' but that's a lot different to some of the collisions Hamilton has had, they aren't 'ballsy,' they're either misjudgement, red-mist (Silverstone 21 for example), or feeling affronted because his image is all-important to him.

I also get the feeling (especialy after toto's comments) that the "apology" is more for image than sincere IMO. Something to feed the "Saint Lewis" myth.

Richard Wilks · Sep 4, 2023

Damage Inc said:
I also get the feeling (especialy after toto's comments) that the "apology" is more for image than sincere IMO. Something to feed the "Saint Lewis" myth.

Toto should really learn to keep his mouth shut. The level of sour grapes is unbelievable...

muzikant · Sep 4, 2023

Richard Wilks said:
Toto should really learn to keep his mouth shut. The level of sour grapes is unbelievable...

sure Richard! it gets annoying, this Mercedes boss...The man shows that he is a real idiot. But actually laugh about it... a few years ago in his dominated silver years he encouraged the other teams for more competition and more competition. And look here.. the clown. What a sour bad loser, but we all knew that, good PR also for the Mercedes brand, they will be happy with that in Germany. Not! A Niki Lauda was a bit different as a person and certainly wouldn't have lowered herself for statements like this.

Badwheels · Sep 5, 2023

Formula 1 has hit the pinnacle of suckage. If they really want to put on an "entertainment package", this is what they should do.

Reduce the grid to 10 cars. Every year it's 3 teams with a chance and 2 teams hoping to get points. Get rid of everyone else. They are just taking up space. Obviously to build a competitive race car is beyond most engineers.,
Any team that wins 2 years in a row is forced to start at the back of the grid for the next 2 years
Any innovation that will not cause someone to die is allowed
One car per team
Reverse grid positions. If you are that fast you will catch them
No more Netflix. We have enough dumb fans as it is.
Allow vape, alcohol and cigarette sponsors. Kids are going to do whatever anyway
Reduce the number of races. Too many damn races to matter.
Do not go to Las Vegas or Miami
Put Malaysia back on the calender and get rid of Monaco.

muzikant · Sep 5, 2023

You forget number eleven.. banned Max Verstappen from the sport, the man is way too good which has left some fans stressed. And stressed people that is not good for your health

ask Toto

but really? is your list really serious?

beyond Verstappen's domination. Are there enough fights on the track with different podiums, that is very good for formula 1 standards. at least my opinion. the domination of Verstappen if that's what you mean? it will end someday, nothing is eternal

PickABetterUsername01 · Sep 5, 2023

Badwheels said:
Formula 1 has hit the pinnacle of suckage. If they really want to put on an "entertainment package", this is what they should do.

Reduce the grid to 10 cars. Every year it's 3 teams with a chance and 2 teams hoping to get points. Get rid of everyone else. They are just taking up space. Obviously to build a competitive race car is beyond most engineers.,

Any team that wins 2 years in a row is forced to start at the back of the grid for the next 2 years

Any innovation that will not cause someone to die is allowed

One car per team

Reverse grid positions. If you are that fast you will catch them

No more Netflix. We have enough dumb fans as it is.

Allow vape, alcohol and cigarette sponsors. Kids are going to do whatever anyway

Reduce the number of races. Too many damn races to matter.

Do not go to Las Vegas or Miami

Put Malaysia back on the calender and get rid of Monaco.

I'm glad you are not in charge of anything but your life, let's keep it that way.

Badwheels · Sep 5, 2023

PickABetterUsername01 said:
I'm glad you are not in charge of anything but your life, let's keep it that way.

And I knew someone would prove #6 is totally necessary.

Badwheels · Sep 5, 2023

muzikant said:
You forget number eleven.. banned Max Verstappen from the sport, the man is way too good which has left some fans stressed. And stressed people that is not good for your health ask Toto

but really? is your list really serious?

beyond Verstappen's domination. Are there enough fights on the track with different podiums, that is very good for formula 1 standards. at least my opinion. the domination of Verstappen if that's what you mean? it will end someday, nothing is eternal

It's totally serious. Max ain't the problem, even though I can't stand the little Jos elf. Just like Lewis nor Sebastian was the problem when they kept winning. The sport is broken.

THK84 · Sep 6, 2023

Badwheels said:
And I knew someone would prove #6 is totally necessary.

Yeah, you've proven your own point there all by yourself.

No need to drag anyone else into it.

Damage Inc · Sep 6, 2023

Badwheels said:
It's totally serious. Max ain't the problem, even though I can't stand the little Jos elf. Just like Lewis nor Sebastian was the problem when they kept winning. The sport is broken.

the sport isn't broken. It's a tech driven sport, the drivers just the final piece in a MASSIVE jigsaw....the problem is the hero worship these drivers get, when the real heroes are the designers.

RayTruant · Sep 11, 2023

Damage Inc said:
the sport isn't broken. It's a tech driven sport, the drivers just the final piece in a MASSIVE jigsaw....the problem is the hero worship these drivers get, when the real heroes are the designers.

It's tech driven, but that does not make it a sport. There were past eras when drivers mattered in F1 but driving has been replaced with a team of engineers and AI prediction algorithms with less cerebral skill required than ever. Driving meant understanding the whole race alone on the cockpit. Now, team is in the cockpit basically controlling a driver while remote computers calculate strategy from synthetic events designed for TV.

But, no one cares, as the series has transformed from a racing spectacle to an entertainment franchise, where personalities are more discussed than actual racing events because the inherent formula is defined by political pressures over racing and 2023 is a clear example of nothing to talk about on track. Even rain is now a red flag race.

At this point, it's an interesting soap opera for many, but F1 failed to be exciting any more years ago, but why change when tickets sell out and I hear trainspotting is a nice past time as well.

Damage Inc · Sep 12, 2023

RayTruant said:
It's tech driven, but that does not make it a sport. There were past eras when drivers mattered in F1 but driving has been replaced with a team of engineers and AI prediction algorithms with less cerebral skill required than ever. Driving meant understanding the whole race alone on the cockpit. Now, team is in the cockpit basically controlling a driver while remote computers calculate strategy from synthetic events designed for TV.

But, no one cares, as the series has transformed from a racing spectacle to an entertainment franchise, where personalities are more discussed than actual racing events because the inherent formula is defined by political pressures over racing and 2023 is a clear example of nothing to talk about on track. Even rain is now a red flag race.

At this point, it's an interesting soap opera for many, but F1 failed to be exciting any more years ago, but why change when tickets sell out and I hear trainspotting is a nice past time as well.

Drivers still matter as the cars don't drive themselves (drivers are just a smaller piece in a bigger jigsaw now compared to the past). F1 has always been tech driven, the mid engine was a tech advance, disk brakes a tech advance, aero a tech advance etc etc.

I do agree that too much is done backroom now, thing is I can see the day cars are remotely driven so it'll get worse! There's plenty to talk about in 2023, there's more to racing than who comes 1st.

Also sport IS entertainment, take away the viewing public and most sports will cease to exists (apart from tiny pockets). If F1 has stayed true to it's roots then most of us would never have really heard or seen it, as it wouldn't be on TV and would only be for rich toffs and playboys. There's a fine line and yes I agree that F1 has gone too far over with DTS and social media nonsense (but social media is a more general pox on humanity not just F1 or sport).

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