agree.Really dont see the fascination with Alonso he wont 2 titles......14 years ago!!! Then spent years whining about how cars werent good enough rather than working with the team to find a resolution.
When looking at the black tire line on the tarmac, Ham is not on raceline. He is going to the left. Still it’s just a racing accident.I keep wondering if I'm not seeing this correctly...people keep saying Albon was on the line and Hamilton forced him wide...but umm:
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This is the frame just before their tyres make contact (go check for yourself)....there is asphalt, the curb and the green on Albon's left and, as far as I know on this track, as long as you have two wheels on the asphalt you're not exceeding track limits.
Let's also remember that Albon:
- Is in a Red Bull...who has had one of, if not the best Aero packages of the last decade...so excellent downforce in situations like this.
- Is using the new Honda engine, closer in power to the Merc when compared to RB's Renault days.
- Is on Softs (when combined with the 2 points above means he most likely had grip to spare).
Let's also remember that Hamilton:
Factoring all of this into it, is it not also possible that both Hamilton had understeer and Albon underestimated how wide his own back tyres are and turned in too early? I believe it was a racing incident; people calling for Hamilton to be nailed to a cross over this really needs to take a breather and look at all the angles without bias. I didn't know 6 time WDC's stop being human and can't make an error (understeer) and a driver who's still pretty much a rookie can have his part in the incident completely overlooked...but yea, it's Hamilton so he's automatically guilty.
- Arrived at the braking zone first. Yes there's overlap, but he has the right to defend the corner, not just give it up because you want him to.
- Is on worn Hard tyres.
- Shows no evidence of intentionally letting the car run wide when looking at steering input and listening to the engine.
I always here everywhere I go since I started Sim-Racing: "It's the job of the faster car to facilitate a clean, safe pass"...did that rule suddenly get thrown out the window? If there's any corner to provide a "clean, safe pass"...that corner ain't it. Albon clearly had the pace and could easily pass Hamilton about 3 corners later.
I don't care what people say about the line, they are also wrong. Since incident can't be viewed in 1 frame. With picture you posted, you also need couple of frames before and after, so you can see trajectory of each car.I keep wondering if I'm not seeing this correctly...people keep saying Albon was on the line and Hamilton forced him wide...but umm:
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This is the frame just before their tyres make contact (go check for yourself)....there is asphalt, the curb and the green on Albon's left and, as far as I know on this track, as long as you have two wheels on the asphalt you're not exceeding track limits.
Let's also remember that Albon:
- Is in a Red Bull...who has had one of, if not the best Aero packages of the last decade...so excellent downforce in situations like this.
- Is using the new Honda engine, closer in power to the Merc when compared to RB's Renault days.
- Is on Softs (when combined with the 2 points above means he most likely had grip to spare).
Let's also remember that Hamilton:
Factoring all of this into it, is it not also possible that both Hamilton had understeer and Albon underestimated how wide his own back tyres are and turned in too early? I believe it was a racing incident; people calling for Hamilton to be nailed to a cross over this really needs to take a breather and look at all the angles without bias. I didn't know 6 time WDC's stop being human and can't make an error (understeer) and a driver who's still pretty much a rookie can have his part in the incident completely overlooked...but yea, it's Hamilton so he's automatically guilty.
- Arrived at the braking zone first. Yes there's overlap, but he has the right to defend the corner, not just give it up because you want him to.
- Is on worn Hard tyres.
- Shows no evidence of intentionally letting the car run wide when looking at steering input and listening to the engine.
I always here everywhere I go since I started Sim-Racing: "It's the job of the faster car to facilitate a clean, safe pass"...did that rule suddenly get thrown out the window? If there's any corner to provide a "clean, safe pass"...that corner ain't it. Albon clearly had the pace and could easily pass Hamilton about 3 corners later.
No, I really don't. Schumi was always a team player willing to help his teammate.Do you really think Schumacher returned from retirement, to drive for a "new" team, hoping that he would win another title? Come on man.
What he was doing with Mercedes was developing a dominating TEAM. Not just a car, an entire team. He put his heart and soul into it and you see the results since then. That's why i never give any credit to Hamilton. Schumacher and Rosberg built this team.
I have the feeling that they're trying to do the same thing now with Alonso. He's will bring his "expertise" and help them develop a championship winning car, not chase another title. Not in his age.
Understandable, but I think there are a couple of reasons why this will be different.Why do I feel a sense of deja vu when this sounds rather similar to when Michael Schumacher did his return to F1 after retirement, never seemed to be able to get his mojo back, but was still not shy about running people off the track.
Me too @Spinelli!Please make it be true. Alonso's my fav ever driver along with M. Schumi & Senna.
P.S. LeClerc's drive last race reminds me of Senna/Schumi/Alonso drives. He didn't have the car but got the absolute best out of it. I really think LeClerc's drive last Sunday was something really special.
I keep wondering if I'm not seeing this correctly...people keep saying Albon was on the line and Hamilton forced him wide...but umm:
View attachment 386484
This is the frame just before their tyres make contact (go check for yourself)....there is asphalt, the curb and the green on Albon's left and, as far as I know on this track, as long as you have two wheels on the asphalt you're not exceeding track limits.
Let's also remember that Albon:
- Is in a Red Bull...who has had one of, if not the best Aero packages of the last decade...so excellent downforce in situations like this.
- Is using the new Honda engine, closer in power to the Merc when compared to RB's Renault days.
- Is on Softs (when combined with the 2 points above means he most likely had grip to spare).
Let's also remember that Hamilton:
Factoring all of this into it, is it not also possible that both Hamilton had understeer and Albon underestimated how wide his own back tyres are and turned in too early? I believe it was a racing incident; people calling for Hamilton to be nailed to a cross over this really needs to take a breather and look at all the angles without bias. I didn't know 6 time WDC's stop being human and can't make an error (understeer) and a driver who's still pretty much a rookie can have his part in the incident completely overlooked...but yea, it's Hamilton so he's automatically guilty.
- Arrived at the braking zone first. Yes there's overlap, but he has the right to defend the corner, not just give it up because you want him to.
- Is on worn Hard tyres.
- Shows no evidence of intentionally letting the car run wide when looking at steering input and listening to the engine.
I always here everywhere I go since I started Sim-Racing: "It's the job of the faster car to facilitate a clean, safe pass"...did that rule suddenly get thrown out the window? If there's any corner to provide a "clean, safe pass"...that corner ain't it. Albon clearly had the pace and could easily pass Hamilton about 3 corners later.
No, I really don't. Schumi was always a team player willing to help his teammate.
He can do that with gentlemen racers but he can't qualify in the top 33 at Indy. Alonso will struggle in a modern F1 car.That must be why he was able to jump into a car he's never raced, at a track he's never raced, in the rain and took the car to the front.(Wayne Taylor Racing DPI at the Rolex24hr. )
I really think LeClerc's drive last Sunday was something really special.
He can do that with gentlemen racers but he can't qualify in the top 33 at Indy. Alonso will struggle in a modern F1 car.
I think one underestimates Fernando Alonso's sheer hunger, drive and ability at their own peril. He's one tough cookie.