Any Suggestions on Where to Focus to improve laptimes?

G-Slev

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I did a RD race last week in the GT3s around Imola and was painfully slow - like several seconds per lap. I have recorded my laps and the fast guys and it seems that they are a good 20 to 30 miles an hour quicker than my once they get out of the corners - they just seemed to be more able to carry the speed out of the corners where I could not.

Aside from the rubbishness of going off circuit and clouting the kerbs, can anyone give me any suggestions on where to focus to make up some of the deficit? I was a bit better in the SGP AC race last night - only two seconds off the fastest GT3 runner - but I do seem to struggle in ACC for some reason.

I seem to have been much more consistent of late, but this race was fairly demoralising and it has taken me a few days to pick myself up from it.


 
Looking at the first one my notes as I watched are as follows:

Shorten the road if you can, no point going wide unless you have to, cut those not "corner" straights and shorten the track.

Turn 1 - Too deep in, too wide compromising exit and hence very late on throttle for turn 2 of that chicane.
Turn 3 - You trail is quite heavy, saw that on turn 1 too, do you need that much is it under or oversteering?
Turn 4- Same thing as 1 and 2, compromised exit with early apex, likely due to the way you exited t3.
Turn 5 - missed the apex by a lot and then late on the power and wasted a bunch of the road weren't on the limit in the later part of exit.
Turn 6 - was OK, there is more to get on exit there you have some space.
Turn 7 & 8 (right hairpin) - Overslowed coming in, missed apex of turn 8 and compromised exit out so late on throttle.
Turn 9/10 (small chicane) - OK
Turn 11 (left hand bottom of hill) - OK
Turn 12 (left hand onto straight) - Not convinced your left wheel is on that curbing and there is more space on exit to use.

General comments
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Can you get to 100% brake? You don't seem to utilise it.
Why is the trail so heavy at 50%? I would expect lighter more like 10-20%, jumping off from 50% is unsettling the car a bit.
Is left wheel at the limit of the track? With this FOV it is a little hard to tell but I feel like we are missing a half a metre.

I would say the main things to work on is vision for coming out of corners to really utilise the entire track and get on power at the right time, I suspect you are looking at the nose of the car not the edge of the track before you hit the apex.
The second thing is bring some of the brake points back a bit so you can start to power on at the apexs a little earlier instead of still plowing on brakes, you are probably braking too late.
 
FOV first thing that hit me .. i'm much worse than you but feel you're limiting forward vision too much

I run triples - I just captured the centre screen with OSD. I can't find a way to set the FOV angle in ACC though - it used to be in the view menu in game, but seems to have vanished?
 
Looking at the first one my notes as I watched are as follows:

Shorten the road if you can, no point going wide unless you have to, cut those not "corner" straights and shorten the track.

Turn 1 - Too deep in, too wide compromising exit and hence very late on throttle for turn 2 of that chicane.
Turn 3 - You trail is quite heavy, saw that on turn 1 too, do you need that much is it under or oversteering?
Turn 4- Same thing as 1 and 2, compromised exit with early apex, likely due to the way you exited t3.
Turn 5 - missed the apex by a lot and then late on the power and wasted a bunch of the road weren't on the limit in the later part of exit.
Turn 6 - was OK, there is more to get on exit there you have some space.
Turn 7 & 8 (right hairpin) - Overslowed coming in, missed apex of turn 8 and compromised exit out so late on throttle.
Turn 9/10 (small chicane) - OK
Turn 11 (left hand bottom of hill) - OK
Turn 12 (left hand onto straight) - Not convinced your left wheel is on that curbing and there is more space on exit to use.

General comments
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Can you get to 100% brake? You don't seem to utilise it.
Why is the trail so heavy at 50%? I would expect lighter more like 10-20%, jumping off from 50% is unsettling the car a bit.
Is left wheel at the limit of the track? With this FOV it is a little hard to tell but I feel like we are missing a half a metre.

I would say the main things to work on is vision for coming out of corners to really utilise the entire track and get on power at the right time, I suspect you are looking at the nose of the car not the edge of the track before you hit the apex.
The second thing is bring some of the brake points back a bit so you can start to power on at the apexs a little earlier instead of still plowing on brakes, you are probably braking too late.

Sorry, didn't get chance to reply last night. Thanks for such a detail response, and I will try and go through some of it today.

In terms of brakes, I have a set of V3s and a CSW 2.5. I have my brake force set up so the wheels don't lock - I have to really push the brake to get to 100%. Are you saying it is not an issue to hit the ABS or to lock the brakes by going to 100% braking? I always thought that was a no no, so I probably need to turn the brake travel down a bit so I can get to 100% easier.

In terms of trail braking, I thought that was how best to carry speed through the corner - from what you are saying, I perhaps need to brake harder initially and then trail off more quickly rather than being so gradual? And to get my braking done earlier before the corner?

Thanks for the advice. I will try and take it on board.

Edit: I've been advised to disable BLI on my wheel and to allow the game to control the vibration motors through telemetry, so I'll give that a go.
 
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In terms of brakes, I have a set of V3s and a CSW 2.5. I have my brake force set up so the wheels don't lock - I have to really push the brake to get to 100%. Are you saying it is not an issue to hit the ABS or to lock the brakes by going to 100% braking? I always thought that was a no no, so I probably need to turn the brake travel down a bit so I can get to 100% easier.

In terms of trail braking, I thought that was how best to carry speed through the corner - from what you are saying, I perhaps need to brake harder initially and then trail off more quickly rather than being so gradual? And to get my braking done earlier before the corner?
 
In terms of brakes, I have a set of V3s and a CSW 2.5. I have my brake force set up so the wheels don't lock - I have to really push the brake to get to 100%. Are you saying it is not an issue to hit the ABS or to lock the brakes by going to 100% braking? I always thought that was a no no, so I probably need to turn the brake travel down a bit so I can get to 100% easier.

You have to be able to get to 100% because on the big stops its usually the best way to get it slowed down, relying on ABS is how even the fastest drivers in ACC are doing this.

In terms of trail braking, I thought that was how best to carry speed through the corner - from what you are saying, I perhaps need to brake harder initially and then trail off more quickly rather than being so gradual? And to get my braking done earlier before the corner?

The purpose of a trail braking is two fold. One is that doing things gradually, turn in and releasing the brake you reduce the amount you unsettle the car and move the weight around gradually, this improves the available grip and avoids producing slides when near the limit of the car and you have time to feel what it is doing. The second is that its utilised to move the weight balance of the car forward and back to correct under and oversteer. In ACC the cars are so aero based that I find they get the best cornering speeds with no brakes at all, but turning in some of them do need a little bit of trail to get the nose in, but definitely not 50% and not that deep into the corner, coast them in and through the mid corner on aero they are faster that way.

In effect your braking technique is hurting you in a bunch of ways. Its too deep so you are often early apexing and getting on the power late and less aggressively than others, its too heavy and its stalling the aero reducing cornering speed while also inducing understeer and you have to come off a lot of brake fast so its popping the front suspension up as the weight shifts rapidly and knocking the grip out of the front tires right when you really need to turn mid corner further worsening the understeer.

Trail braking isn't always the same. The rate at which you come off depends on the corner and how heavy it is to begin with adjusts as well. Trail braking has a whole bunch of goals, you can use it to correct balance issues, it is about the G circle and maximising grip all the way around the corner and it does allow moving the braking point a bit deeper into the corner. But ACC uses it a lot less due to being high aero cars.

I recommend two practice drills. The first is look 2s ahead of the car, go as slow as you need to be that far ahead, it means that before you even get to the apex your eyes should be on the exit where the car will go, it will give you more information for when the throttle should be pressed. Driver61 has some good videos about this which are worth a watch but I think this might be the cause of your inconsistent throttle on points

The second drill is to brake earlier, maybe lighter but be mostly off the brake at turn in point and come completely off and feel for the limit by oversteering the wheel a little. Get used to what that edge feels like while in aero turning and see the understeer it causes, try this especially in the higher speed longer corners initially. Should give you a good idea of what normal turn in using aero.
 
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One thing no one has mentioned yet I think is that your throttle isn't calibrated properly. You're only getting ~95% at your max input.

As others have mentioned, you should use 100% brake in a straight line. GT3 ABS is not the same as road car ABS, it is a lot more effective and will brake better than you can threshold braking. Like with a road car though if you engage ABS while turning you will get understeer so you need to come off the brakes a lot more while turning.

Also look into corner planning. Late braking into a corner will save you maybe a 10th if you're lucky, but only on corner entry and likely cost you on the following straight. A good exit from a corner will pay dividends all down the following straight giving you multiple 10ths. You're better off braking a little earlier to get a better exit. On complexes with multiple corners you are often better off compromising the line though the first corner(s) to get the best exit from the last. Work from the ideal exit line of the last corner backwards.
 
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Thanks for the tips all. I have increased my brake sensitivity so I can get to 100% - I'm actually not locking/absing as much as I thought I would. I've also disabled the wheel driven rumble motors and put the back to the SIM signalling the rumble motors which I think was part of the problem - I was getting false lock/abs vibrations.

I tried round imola in ACC last night and whilst I am still doing 1.48s, I felt a lot more calm and in control than I did with the previous laps. Initially, I wasn't braking enough - and I still struggle to slow the car down enough despite braking earlier.
 
Your lines are good, I think you just need to throw the car a bit earlier into pretty much all corners and use the inside curbs where you can. Braking-wise you're a little too gentle on the brakes: try to really kick the pedal to bring the pressure up as fast as you can.
But the driving is very good!
 
Your lines are good, I think you just need to throw the car a bit earlier into pretty much all corners and use the inside curbs where you can. Braking-wise you're a little too gentle on the brakes: try to really kick the pedal to bring the pressure up as fast as you can.
But the driving is very good!

Thanks Federico. I have turned up the brake sensitivity, and am trying to get my braking done before the corners, which does seem to help.
 

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