rF2 British Touring Car Cup @ Brands Hatch - Thursday 29th October 2015

Daiman Patel · Oct 24, 2015

Event Details:
Server: RACEDEPARTMENT.COM BTCC
Track: Brands Hatch
Car: Honda Civic, Ford Focus, Chevrolet Cruze, Toyota Avensis, BMW 1 Series

Weather: Dry
Road condition: Rubber on track were possible
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel use: 1x
Mechanical failure: Time scaled

Assists
Traction control: Low
ABS: None
Auto-clutch: Allowed

Race
Practice: 19:00 GMT
Qualifying: 19:15 GMT - 10 minutes [NO Parc Fermé]
Warm up: 19:25 GMT - 5 minutes
Race: 19:30 GMT - 30 minutes [standing start]

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Stefan Woudenberg · Oct 24, 2015

Yes, please!

Stenne · Oct 24, 2015

I'm in please

Nice with a track that I'm quite familiar with and where I have a reasonable clue about the racing line, braking points etc

The cars are all new to me though so I'm up for some testing next week

Any recommendations on a car to start with that's reasonably stable with default setup?

Tero Dahlberg · Oct 25, 2015

I think they're all FWD so they're probably quite stable no matter the setup. The only oversteer you'll likely encounter is throttle lift-off oversteer on corner entry and possibly mid-corner. You can affect that quite a bit by just by avoiding fast and/or big throttle lifts.

I can be more specific once I try some of the cars.

Stefan Woudenberg · Oct 25, 2015

I hope the server will be up soon.

Will be my first time with these cars...so need a little practice.

Daiman Patel · Oct 25, 2015

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Stenne · Oct 25, 2015

Tero Dahlberg said:
I think they're all FWD so they're probably quite stable no matter the setup. The only oversteer you'll likely encounter is throttle lift-off oversteer on corner entry and possibly mid-corner. You can affect that quite a bit by just by avoiding fast and/or big throttle lifts.

Thanks Tero

Those kind of driving tips are really valuable for a rookie like me.

By the way, do you have some basic driving tips on throttle/braking techniques for the RWD GT3 cars. No matter what car or setup I use I often find myself "fighting against the car", especially with understeer. So I guess for me it's not basically a setup issue, but rather my driving technique.

Greatful for any help

Tero Dahlberg · Oct 25, 2015

Kind of hard to say anything without having seen how you drive them.

Stenne · Oct 25, 2015

OK, thanks anyway Tero

I'll go back and look at the replays of the last GT3 races and see what I can learn

Gijs van Elderen · Oct 26, 2015

To help you guys (or not

). I did some laps with default setup (medium tires):

Toyota: x:xx:356 (lucky lap)
BMW: x:xx:409 ==> RWD

Cruze: x:xx:540
Focus: x:xx:599
Civic: x:xx:653 (but i did only 3 laps)

Default setups are nice. I don't mind this being a fix setup series. But i can't make it Thursday.

Matt Horst · Oct 27, 2015

Put me down as a maybe,i will try to get home from work in time.I would prefer open setups if possible,and i don't mind sharing mine if anyone wants it.I'm driving the BMW.

Frederic Schornstein · Oct 27, 2015

I think locked setups would be fun, but I know the default of the Civic is very oversteery as it has a very hard rear anti-rollbar by default.

I hope I can make it. Really love this combination.

Had a great race lots of month ago third race of three starting nearly last (full grid reverse) and went from something like 28th to 1st in 20min. Staying away from the crashes was one of the hardest things

Tero Dahlberg · Oct 27, 2015

Where did the fixed setup propositioon come from? I seem to have missed that

Frederic Schornstein said:
I think locked setups would be fun, but I know the default of the Civic is very oversteery as it has a very hard rear anti-rollbar by default.

No kidding! At least the way I drive, I get insane lift-off oversteer on entry in the Civic and Focus with default setup! Only two cars I tried. Unlike the other FWD cars I've driven, rF2 Clio and SCE Touring Cars, these cars seem to have a ton of oversteer "built-in"!

I tried a lot of "extreme" values to get rid of that behavior, but was never able to make the car understeer on entry

Though I only did maybe 40 laps in total in the two cars last night.

Tero Dahlberg · Oct 27, 2015

Oh, sign me up please

Kurupt CDN · Oct 27, 2015

Put me down as a maybe please
Edit: I am gonna pass on this...love the track but this version has me thrown off....tag when you use the Oulton park track

Stefan Woudenberg · Oct 27, 2015

Really fun combo.

I will be in the hunt using the BMW.

Tal · Oct 27, 2015

Sign me up
@Enzo Fazzi @Yuri @Chark @Tobias Röhner @Matheus Machado

Tero Dahlberg · Oct 27, 2015

Did some more laps. Also tested the BMW briefly.

The Civic and Focus are basically the same. But the same settings in the Civic seem to be a tad easier car to drive.

The BMW is really great imo. In terms of feel/feedback it's up there with URD EGT cars (except the C7 which is worse than the others) for me. And so it's much better than BES, Apex or ISI GT cars. I think it's the tyres more than anything that makes the biggest difference. But just a guess.

I was a few tenths slower in the BMW though. But the setup is still a bit understeery for me. It's a bit funny that the RWD car in the mod is quite understeery and the FWDs that I tested are way oversteery! One would think it's the other way around.

Too bad the BMW looks like crap (not the mod, but in IRL too), otherwises it would be an easy choice for me! But I think it's between the Civic and Focus, slightly leaning toward the Civic atm.

Oh, and front tyre management in the FWDs is going to be a challenge! So the BMW is the safest choice in that respect.

Attached are setups for BMW, Civic and Focus.