Thanks Alex, yeah I seen that one but it still has a bit of time to go so I'm guessing it will probably make the £200 mark and at that price you might as well buy one from fanatec, I have a CSL Elite PS4 wheel base and I quite fancy the quick release option that the BMW rim allows, to be honest the only reason I'm thinking of changing rims is because I don't like the feel of the plastic on the PS4 rim, l race in vr so it really doesn't matter what the wheel looks like it's the feel of it that matter. I read somewhere that the BMW rim can make you slower because of its extra weight so I was thinking of maybe going for the elite Xbox rim as it's alcantara or maybe the McLaren with its quick release option but not sure if I could get used to the shape of it when driving in vr.