GT3 class balance

Leonardo Chaves · Mar 16, 2015

Is it me or it's a little unbalanced right now?
Nissan quicker the Mclaren by some margin, and the Z4 and the SLS can't even touch those two.

The Nissan is closer to the 458 GT2, M3 GT2 and the Vette than cars from his class imo.

Ricoow · Mar 16, 2015

Disagreed on the GT2 argument. The Nissan is way faster in a straight line than any GT2 car, but far less grippy in the corners. NIssan is nowhere near close to GT2.
Having said this: GT2 and GT3 are very close already but non-comparable, the cars behave quite different. GT3 has higher top speed and ABS + TC. The GT2 is slower, tho much faster through corners and only has TC. It is the technical specs that make the difference, not the laptimes.
Whether GT3 itself is unbalanced I doubt that, as original specs are used. It depends on the setup I guess, what tracks did you try this on? What were the laptimes? Every car has its pro's and con's and can therefore indeed be slightly faster on track A, but lose terribly on track B.

Leonardo Chaves · Mar 17, 2015

For me no matter how much i push the Mclaren i can't match the GTR(Imola and Silverstone, i can see it being hugely fast in Monza too but haven't tested it yet), and the Mclaren was already faster than the Z4 and SLS.
I guess the GTR will kill it's tires faster because it slides so much, but i think the balance is bit off right now.

Dany Five · Mar 18, 2015

GT-R looks faster, it also is on a straight line, but far more hard to manage long race then for example BMW.

speedrcr · Mar 18, 2015

This is why in video games it will never be completely accurate. They make adjustments in some series either before a race or sometime just mid season. It's called the infamous BOP.

Say it with me..B-O-P

Balance of performance. They either require air restrictors, reduction of effectiveness of splitters (lessen degree or amount of), weight (adding dead weight), or you name it. There's been some inventive ones over the years. If you pay close attention to a series through out one given season, some one is always "complaining".

IMO there should be the handy use of the "Stage 1" switch as a level of BOP that server admin's cn utilize to institute a "handicap" on a certain car. For instance the "Stage 1" could be added weight or lessening of the aero

Simon Roberts · Mar 18, 2015

I remember asking either Marco or Aris some time ago about adding weight and restrictor etc for BOP on cars and they said that this would be implemented, either its been dumped or not developed yet.

SwaggerJacker · Mar 18, 2015

Leonardo Chaves said:
For me no matter how much i push the Mclaren i can't match the GTR(Imola and Silverstone, i can see it being hugely fast in Monza too but haven't tested it yet), and the Mclaren was already faster than the Z4 and SLS.
I guess the GTR will kill it's tires faster because it slides so much, but i think the balance is bit off right now.

IMO, the McLaren cant match the speed of either the BMW or Mercedes as well. Raw straight line speed that is.

Dany Five · Mar 18, 2015

yupp, but he will catch that in the corners

SwaggerJacker · Mar 18, 2015

Dany Five said:
yupp, but he will catch that in the corners

Agree, but still a major disadvantage on a low down force track. The BMW and Merc aren't exactly slouches when cornering, when driven by talented drivers. Which we seem to never be in short supply of around here. Oh, yes, I truly am jealous.

Swagg

Leonardo Chaves · Mar 18, 2015

SwaggerJacker said:
IMO, the McLaren cant match the speed of either the BMW or Mercedes as well. Raw straight line speed that is.

The Mclaren is faster around a lap than those 2, and the Nismo is faster around a lap than the Mclaren.

While the Nismo is naturally harder to drive, pushing sideways under braking, and some heavier car behaviour, the amount of time you need to "milk" from the 12C in high speed (it is a somewhat temperamental car in those types of corners) corners just to keep up makes it very hard to drive as well.

Simon Roberts · Mar 18, 2015

Right from the very start I've been far quicker in the McLaren than anything else, need a new wheel at the moment so not tried the Nissan apart from with keys to just look at the ring. Do love the Nissan though. Can't wait for the Lamborghini.

SwaggerJacker · Mar 18, 2015

Simon Roberts said:
Right from the very start I've been far quicker in the McLaren than anything else, need a new wheel at the moment so not tried the Nissan apart from with keys to just look at the ring. Do love the Nissan though. Can't wait for the Lamborghini.

I enjoy the McLaren as well. For me it's very fun to drive. However, I love the Lambo!
Is Kunos making one? I've enjoyed the Lambo Mod.

Simon Roberts · Mar 19, 2015

SwaggerJacker said:
I enjoy the McLaren as well. For me it's very fun to drive. However, I love the Lambo!
Is Kunos making one? I've enjoyed the Lambo Mod.

Yes both the Hracan GT3 and the Gallardo GT3. Was announced a little while a go.

CrustyA · Mar 24, 2015

I've been playing around with some custom career events and found the GTR GT3 to be a fair bit faster than the Z4/SLS/MP4 as well. I ended up using different AI levels depending on the car.
Z4,SLS,MP4 = 100
GTR = 97
458/M3/C7R = 95
I've had a couple of good AI races with these settings in opponents.ini at Imola and Monza so far.

My most recent race had a GTR in the lead and while I was a bit faster in the corners in the Z4 the GTR would still catch me on the long straights. It was good racing though

SwaggerJacker · Mar 24, 2015

Yeah, some tracks just favor certain cars. Formula 1 is the perfect example. In the early 2000's to mid, the Ferrari owned on tracks that were fast. Very high revving engine. The Renault (torque) was a beast on the twisty slower tracks. Don't tweak away the reality.

Swagg

James Hemp · Mar 28, 2015

SwaggerJacker said:
IMO, the McLaren cant match the speed of either the BMW or Mercedes as well. Raw straight line speed that is.

i haven't been paying much attention to car performance but i've noticed on a club race on Monza, that the McLaren, which i and a couple of people drove, is quite slow on that particular track. it has good grip on slower tracks but not enough speed to compete with the "whale" Merc.

Sk3ptik0n · Mar 28, 2015

That's why I only race the UDT cars. They are almost perfectly balanced. The other GT2/3 are all over the place.

I have to say I love the Nissan though. I have driven it a lot at the 'ringand it is one of the best performers there. After only a couple of laps I was able to do the ring in abour 6:45 and later I did even better and better. The McLaren GT3 wasn't even close. I'll try the beamer next.

The car that baffles me the most is the new Alfa 4C. It has a weird RPM where after every upshift feels like shifting from 2nd to 4th directly, then it picks up, but the sound is horrible. I also know that the real 4c doesn't do that all IRL.

I guess I'll open a new thread on that just in case something is wrong on my side.

armani-thomas · Apr 8, 2015

minimalist said:
I've been playing around with some custom career events and found the GTR GT3 to be a fair bit faster than the Z4/SLS/MP4 as well. I ended up using different AI levels depending on the car.
Z4,SLS,MP4 = 100
GTR = 97
458/M3/C7R = 95
I've had a couple of good AI races with these settings in opponents.ini at Imola and Monza so far.

My most recent race had a GTR in the lead and while I was a bit faster in the corners in the Z4 the GTR would still catch me on the long straights. It was good racing though

Is it possible to vary the ai levels in race weekend also? Or do I have to make those custom career events?

CrustyA · Apr 8, 2015

Thomas Adolphsen said:
Is it possible to vary the ai levels in race weekend also? Or do I have to make those custom career events?

As far as I know its not possible. It'd be nice though. Someone else may know for sure? Maybe an ini file somewhere that could be edited race weekend?

Pär Öqvist · Apr 8, 2015

Mclaren has the weakest engine you really feel it at Monza. But on really twisty tracks without long straights it´s very competitive against bmw and mercedes.