i was banned on a server because people think I'm cheating...

[mjklsimpson]

spa is one of my strongest circuits and I'm very consistent at it, today i started from almost last (didn't qualify) to first in only 2 or 3 laps, my car was blazing fast and the track was hot, after i had a nice 20 second battle with the first place holder they started accusing "Mickael Oliveira" (me) of cheating, and then i got banned on Sim Racing Geek server...

one thing i may need to add is that just today i started testing overclock on my fx 4300 (i know it's not recommended for acc) and at 4.4 ghz on acc (online) EVERY CAR WAS FLICKERING LIKE CRAZY and when i got close to them from behind they would instantly pop right behind me, no need to overtake, the game does it to me effortlessly... so in that case i would gladly report someone like this for cheating without doubt...

but that was the only race i did with that frequency (the race wouldn't even end two laps after checkered flag so i quit the race), after i quit the race i immediately turned off my pc and turned down the clock speed from 4.4 to 4.0 ghz which if your search for it you'll see that it's the stock boost clock for that cpu, now it runs at that speed 24/7...

the ban happened on a race with that boost clock speed, but no one was flickering this time, like no one at all... and ping was stable (I live in Brazil and the server is on the US so ping isn't that high if compared to a server on let's say France...)

somehow people were too slow for me on the straights (specially after eau rouge/raidillion where i can do it flat out almost everytime) while i was getting very good grip on the track...

I just hope I can get unbanned on that server... i didn't even know things like this could happen, feels very bad :/

 

[SPEED-DEMON]

Have you a video of this?
I have ran my CPU at up to 5.0 Ghz and never had this happen?
Also, cars popping behind you sounds like bullshit to be honest.
So you're blazingly fast (but no one else is), and you get to cars on track and they teleport behind you....and you're putting this down to a CPU overclock?

 

[FlexZA]

None of that makes sense at all.

What you described happening has more to do with the network (Ping, latency, refresh/rick rate, loss) than with your hardware. So overclocking your CPU will not cause that at all.

 

[Kweel]

U get banned from a server and you come whine here and on steam forum (why not ac forum too huh?)
A shame we cant ban your steam ID
An cpu overclock make a cheat... story of the year

 

[BrunoF400]

Guys,

spa is one of my strongest circuits and I'm very consistent at it, today i started from almost last (didn't qualify) to first in only 2 or 3 laps, my car was blazing fast and the track was hot, after i had a nice 20 second battle with the first place holder they started accusing "Mickael Oliveira" (me) of cheating, and then i got banned on Sim Racing Geek server...

one thing i may need to add is that just today i started testing overclock on my fx 4300 (i know it's not recommended for acc) and at 4.4 ghz on acc (online) EVERY CAR WAS FLICKERING LIKE CRAZY and when i got close to them from behind they would instantly pop right behind me, no need to overtake, the game does it to me effortlessly... so in that case i would gladly report someone like this for cheating without doubt...

but that was the only race i did with that frequency (the race wouldn't even end two laps after checkered flag so i quit the race), after i quit the race i immediately turned off my pc and turned down the clock speed from 4.4 to 4.0 ghz which if your search for it you'll see that it's the stock boost clock for that cpu, now it runs at that speed 24/7...

the ban happened on a race with that boost clock speed, but no one was flickering this time, like no one at all... and ping was stable (I live in Brazil and the server is on the US so ping isn't that high if compared to a server on let's say France...)

somehow people were too slow for me on the straights (specially after eau rouge/raidillion where i can do it flat out almost everytime) while i was getting very good grip on the track...

I just hope I can get unbanned on that server... i didn't even know things like this could happen, feels very bad :/

Do you know what you are??? You're a liar, and a cheater!!!

Guys, I was on the server... I was the one that first told him he was cheating... I was at first place and I realized that I was losing pace on the straights to the Ferrari he was using... And there's no way a Ferrari is faster than a R8 on straights...

Check out the replay I recorded:

The video is a bit long, because I recorded all his action until I left the race to chat with him... And why I know this guy is lying?? I'm brazilian too, and when I told him, in our language, that he was cheating, he replied with laughs... When I told him I would report him, more laughs.... But, for his bad luck, the server admin was watching him, was a brazilian to and started chatting to... And he was not banned from the server.... He disconnected, after we both started complaining about his cheating... Probably he disconnected to start this lying thread in here... The server admin said he was recording all this cheater's action and that we would report him... So, there's two person that witnessed his cheating actions and talked to him about it, and one of them is the server admin.... No way this story he told is true...

Ah, by the way, when we were "racing" and he placed himself to overtake me, I'd already realized he was cheating, but he managed to stay side to side and "compete" with me for a while, trying to dissimulate his cheating... You'll see that on the video... And an interesting fact: on the lap he overtook me, he started almost 2s behind and, even with a big mistake made at bus stop (which I'd not be suprised if it was not a mistake, but a way to not show his real laptime) and a line crossed some 2s ahead of me, my laptime that lap was around 2:20 and his, was around 2:25!!! How on earth is that possible??? Only to a cheater!!!

So, don't you guy fell on this damn cheater's story... I hope I could find an easy and fast way to report this guy so we can keep ACC clean of bad users like this... But what I've found was a way to report to steam, and the report is not a garantee that the ban will occur, so I preffered to expose this idiot on ACC forum and now, in here...

Cheers,
Bruno

 

[CC]

Have you a video of this?
I have ran my CPU at up to 5.0 Ghz and never had this happen?
Also, cars popping behind you sounds like bullshit to be honest.
So you're blazingly fast (but no one else is), and you get to cars on track and they teleport behind you....and you're putting this down to a CPU overclock?

My 9700k is 5ghz I never saw that happen either also never heard of it.

 

[cpt_gandy]

while i can not comment if the person is a cheater or not and this is not a defence of a suspected cheater, sharing the replay file would be better than a bad youtube video, but a 2:20 lap time on spa is slow for a possible fast driver on that track as there is plenty of drivers out there that can do a sub 2:25/2:20 with race fuel.. not 20 minute super sprint fuel. I can show you lap times of drivers doing 2:18 lap times with 90+ litres of fuel in the 488 as its not a slow car in its own right but the skill limit of the driver and setup can make it slow. I can even show you the Nissan GTR being ultra fast, faster than anything else on track due to the driver being very good and having a great setup and many people say the GTR needs a buff as its too slow.

Please share the replay.

As for the cars flickering on and off, i have seen that on ACC streams so nothing new to the game.

 

[PickABetterUsername01]

while i can not comment if the person is a cheater or not and this is not a defence of a suspected cheater, sharing the replay file would be better than a bad youtube video, but a 2:20 lap time on spa is slow for a possible fast driver on that track as there is plenty of drivers out there that can do a sub 2:25/2:20 with race fuel.. not 20 minute super sprint fuel. I can show you lap times of drivers doing 2:18 lap times with 90+ litres of fuel in the 488 as its not a slow car in its own right but the skill limit of the driver and setup can make it slow. I can even show you the Nissan GTR being ultra fast, faster than anything else on track due to the driver being very good and having a great setup and many people say the GTR needs a buff as its too slow.

Please share the replay.

As for the cars flickering on and off, i have seen that on ACC streams so nothing new to the game.

You are not paying attention. He's not cheating the entire time, he turns the cheat on and off. It's very clear by his massive acceleration sometimes, look how insane his speed increases. Obviously if you suck at the game, your lap time will still be ****.

Also there's videos of another ACC cheater on youtube and this is exactly the same thing.

Looks like this loser won't come back here either way, so whatever, just remember his name.

 

[cpt_gandy]

You are not paying attention. He's not cheating the entire time, he turns the cheat on and off. It's very clear by his massive acceleration sometimes, look how insane his speed increases. Obviously if you suck at the game, your lap time will still be ****.

Also there's videos of another ACC cheater on youtube and this is exactly the same thing.

Looks like this loser won't come back here either way, so whatever, just remember his name.

Like i said in my post its not a defence on the person accused of cheating but the replay file can tell you a lot if the person is cheating where as a bad youtube video ( its just chosen camera that makes it a bad youtube video for this purpose ) a better video would be driver cam with a rerun on the outside behind the car from the start of the race until the person leaves.

 

[PickABetterUsername01]

Like i said in my post its not a defence on the person accused of cheating but the replay file can tell you a lot if the person is cheating where as a bad youtube video ( its just chosen camera that makes it a bad youtube video for this purpose ) a better video would be driver cam with a rerun on the outside behind the car from the start of the race until the person leaves.

And as I said, you are not paying attention.

 

[BrunoF400]

while i can not comment if the person is a cheater or not and this is not a defence of a suspected cheater, sharing the replay file would be better than a bad youtube video, but a 2:20 lap time on spa is slow for a possible fast driver on that track as there is plenty of drivers out there that can do a sub 2:25/2:20 with race fuel.. not 20 minute super sprint fuel. I can show you lap times of drivers doing 2:18 lap times with 90+ litres of fuel in the 488 as its not a slow car in its own right but the skill limit of the driver and setup can make it slow. I can even show you the Nissan GTR being ultra fast, faster than anything else on track due to the driver being very good and having a great setup and many people say the GTR needs a buff as its too slow.

Please share the replay.

As for the cars flickering on and off, i have seen that on ACC streams so nothing new to the game.

I guess you didn't pay attention to this: "on the lap he overtook me, he started almost 2s behind and, even with a big mistake made at bus stop (which I'd not be suprised if it was not a mistake, but a way to not show his real laptime) and a line crossed some 2s ahead of me, my laptime that lap was around 2:20 and his, was around 2:25!!! How on earth is that possible??? Only to a cheater!!! "

Now, explain how, on this good earth, a exceptional driver, not cheating, can start a lap 2s behind another, end the same lap 2s ahead and make a laptime 5s slower???

And as the video I uploaded is not clear enough, how can I share the replay?

 

[cpt_gandy]

And as I said, you are not paying attention.

My apologises if it comes across that way as i can assure you its the opposite, i want to pay more attention to it but sadly the youtube vid does not provide that at all. We have all seen the super tire grip, roll over cars and warp speed hot laps on the ACC events etc.. when it comes to cheating

Back in the day i use to admin on gaming servers for many years and its that part of me that wants to see more to study it so i can be 100% certain on what i see so if i see it again i can point it out, save my replay and report to the powers that be.

 

[cpt_gandy]

I guess you didn't pay attention to this: "on the lap he overtook me, he started almost 2s behind and, even with a big mistake made at bus stop (which I'd not be suprised if it was not a mistake, but a way to not show his real laptime) and a line crossed some 2s ahead of me, my laptime that lap was around 2:20 and his, was around 2:25!!! How on earth is that possible??? Only to a cheater!!! "

Now, explain how, on this good earth, a exceptional driver, not cheating, can start a lap 2s behind another, end the same lap 2s ahead and make a laptime 5s slower???

And as the video I uploaded is not clear enough, how can I share the replay?

Like i said there is better cameras to use than the one chosen also many people know that ACC lap deta's are not accurate and they do mess up but that does not prove he is not cheating which im not saying he is not but more of its something i want to study a little more than others may want to, as for sharing the replay you can use google drive and share it that way or one of the many file upload sites just zip it up first..

Ive seen a few cheaters in raceroom in the past which was funny as none of them could race on the racing line but they still put down laps faster than the aliens in the sim. When i look at a video or replay of someone cheating i tend to focus on two things at first, what makes sense and what does not and then expend on the what does not make sense as im sure you have watched the replay from many different angles so it makes more sense to you but from an educational point of view from some one who does not have the replay and wants to study it for future use to improve detecting such things the youtube vid was not the best chosen camera with no other camera views. I would recommend driver cam and third person cam behind the car with maybe the track side camera being last. My advice to you would be, dont focus so much on lap time but focus more on the parts of the replay where he is cheating like "super grip on x corner on lap x" etc.. and yes on one of the corners it did look like he had to much grip for the speed and line taken through the corner

What someone needs to do is a website of banned cheaters and their GUID's so clean racing servers can have a ban list they share between server owners to keep the most amount of cheaters off the servers

I hope you can understand why i feel the replay in such events are important to share ( along with the Steam GUID ) so people can educate themselves on what they see.

 

[Solidjake]

Check out the replay I recorded:

Why didn't you record the replay showing the interior of the car? Then we can see his speedometer/tachometer and driving line the entire time

 

[Aggelos]

Why didn't you record the replay showing the interior of the car? Then we can see his speedometer/tachometer and driving line the entire time

I know exactly what this guy did there.You will not understand anything if you see the spedometer of his car.He will have normal speed but his car will go faster.the only way you will find out that he is cheating is to watch the gap and laptimes .An example is if he is 2 seconds behind you he will do a slower lap than you but the gap will close...With this ''cheat'' everything is his screen goes faster even the clock but it doesn't affect the physics of the car...I dont want to say what this guy did there because is pretty simple to do this.If anyone want to see me do this we can jump on a server together...

 

[Mr Deap]

People need professional sim racer advice on it. Maybe they don't want to participate, cause they see 1 easy free spot open.

 

[Nico Major]

@BrunoF400
From watching the video there is no clear evidence to me that he is cheating.
I understand that the laptimes displayed in the widget made you doubt. But they are clearly messed up and should be ignored. I used the timestamps of the youtube video to roughly estimate the lap times.

He did around a 2:17 in lap 2 and around 2:18 in lap 3. He was on his way to 2:17 in lap 3 also, but the mistake in bus stop chicane cost him roughly 1 second. I meassured from start/finsh line to start/finsh line in both laps and also from exit of Blanchimont (fast left on "back straight") lap 2 to exit of Blanchimont lap 3 to estimate the lap time for lap 3 without the mistake.
I also estimated something like a 2:20 as your lap time in lap 3. That is in line with what you said.

This is really fast, but I have seen many peoply do laptimes like this, especially with the Ferrari. It also depends on weather and track conditions and also if 2018 or 2019 version of Spa was used (2018 offers a bit more grip)

Judging by those lap times he is quite consistently fast. I think with a cheat that allows you to boost your power arbitrarily it would be quite hard to be consistent. Even more if you were a bad driver.

His racing line does look fine too.

Also his speeds appear reasonable to me. I know what speed I have at certain reference points around the track (different cars). What I saw during these 3 laps was all within my expectation.

And there's no way a Ferrari is faster than a R8 on straights

His top speed at the end of Kemmel Straight was 261 and 263 (lap 2 and 3), both times also with slip stream I guess. I dont know what the top speed of the R8 is there, but I think that his speed is not really faster than what you can do with the R8 (all dependent on aero setup of course).
Your impression of "faster on the straight" might actually come from the fact that he carried more speed out of Raidillon which then adds up massively on the way down to first chicane.

Final words:
I'm not a judge (not in real live and not here). I'm not making any judgement!
I just found it interesting to investigate the issue having only quite limited material available.
It's just my observation.

It's not my intention to blame BrunoF400 for his thoughts on the situation. I can understand that. Even more with the story around it.
But, maybe I could provide some things to look at that might lead to the conclusion that there was no cheating and all can go on in peace and race happily against each other.

 

[Joao Cavaca]

I had a problem about a year a go with AC that maybe similar to this.
what happened to me was that I was actually faster on the track, without realizing it, and I was even banned from racing. It was then that I noticed that my time in the game was advancing faster than it was supposed to. 1 minute was faster than 60 seconds, if I can explain it better. Even if I was faster thant everyone in one lap, my times where slower. That´s why people kicked me. And then I received some warnings from some servers to check my CPU clock. I made some videos about it and nobody could notice. Until I selected everything to be automatic on the CPU and since then none of this has happened.

 

[RWBCharger]

There is an inherent problem with some FX CPU's specifically when overclocked, I had this bug way back in Project Cars 1 where I had an FX8350 overclocked and it was well documented on SMS forums by me as I was accused of cheating, I found what the issue was and it had to do with a timing mismatch between BIOS and Windows, it was ever so slightly off and caused a 'speedbug', if I turned the boost clock off it would be normal pace but if overclocked gave me a significant speed advantage.

All my findings were forwarded to the Devs and I ended up selling the PC and upgrading with Intel and never had the problem since, now I'm not defending this guy but I can say sometimes OC a CPU can do weird things especially if it's not done correctly, I was pulling sub 2.15's around Spa in a GT3 whereas I am a 2.20 pace.

In fact just found an old video that shows it, I also got off the line all the time quicker than anyone else, the guys I am racing here are faster guys than me

 

[Jempy]

I remember my beginnings with Simracing .... and Race07.
I was sometimes driving +- in end 2010 or begin 2011 on a free server running 24 hrs on 24 hrs on Nordschleife.....

At the time I had a Asus P5QDTurbo motherboard .... and without knowing much about simracing - overclocking and PC hardwares... I often used a particularity of this motherboard tools .... called something like "Turbo Boost" or something like that ( the symbol used to show it in the task bar was a rocket ) without knowing it was a "kind of overclocking" finally.

One evening someone ( a responsible admin for this server ... and I discovered later it was someone from RD already ... not even totally sure it maybe was @Bram Hengeveld himself at this time or maybe another staff member ) told me I might be considered as a cheater ... and explained me how this could be noticed.
From that time I knew that such a wished or unwished boost could make problem only .... making other drivers suspect me of cheating.

Not sure that's the case here but anyway it might look like an unwanted cheat.