Is Reiza cheating?

[BrunoBæ]

By cheating I mean that on 1st lap in every TT session I have launched since last update! its impossible to keep the speed of 1st lap (and 2nd and ...) if you have set the 1st lap reasonably fast.
Either the 1st lap get something like an artificical "boost" or the following laps gets artificially some more "drag".
For some reason or another - or unintentional from Reiza.

Its obvious to see if you have activated as a ghost "Best lap in session".
Because if this lap is close to your personal limit then you cannot keep the speed on the following laps.

Use this as a hint to remember to set your TT PB on 1st lap.
Or use my experience based postulate to try to prove it wrong.

CatsAreTheWorstDogs: Answeres like I can prove you wrong because I have set several PB TT laps on my 2nd and 3rd lap - is too idiotic to be taken serious.
Hehe because ... no I dont want to use time on that.

 

[Peppelino]

Not a severe tireheat buildup...

 

[JohnyUtah]

When i used to TT on PC2, I would swear sometimes the car would go a little faster or slower. Honestly when it comes to the razors edge and a bad lap is 2 tenths off, it is hard to tell if you are simply making a micro mistake or does the game change things that it shouldnt.

 

[BrunoBæ]

@JohnyUtah you are completely right - thats the reason I has been a bit hesitating to post this.
But at least driving the F-Ulti Gen1 which is my favorite at the moment Im more or less 100% sure there exist this artificial "boost" of the first lap.
The only way I can put a little logic into this is that Reiza could maybe try to make up for the loss of initial speed on the starting lap. By upping the initial speed artificially.

CatsAreTheWorstDogs: Personally Im pretty sure there is something wrong/weird here.
And I have posted this because its pretty easy to make ones own mind up if you consider Im wrong.
By just take your favorite car out in TT mode.
The only requirement is that you have to be able to drive consitently on the edge of your personal best. Otherwise you cannot reveal this issue.

 

[Kurupt CDN]

with the number of bugs in this engine, I wouldn't be surprised if this is another one.
I personally think there is a bug in the timing.
I'm still finding on some vehicles that have had the tire update, that sliding is still gaining time...but punishes the tire more

 

[Wu !]

CatsAreTheWorstDogs: Answeres like I can prove you wrong because I have set several PB TT laps on my 2nd and 3rd lap - is too idiotic to be taken serious.
Hehe because ... no I dont want to use time on that.

The way you phrase this, it's not even a question at this point, just a foregone BrunoB conclusion. You are precluding the one answer that makes sense: the tires going off very quickly in TT and not resetting next lap. Including a trademark BrunoB humble brag of "Because if this lap is close to your personal limit then you cannot keep the speed on the following laps." Happy to see you included "personal limit" to nullify your own "liability"

Since the issue would be the same for everybody, even if all you say is true, the word cheating is not particularly accurate, the exact opposite actually.

CatsAreTheWorstDogs: I think you're not banned anymore on the Reiza forums, you should come back, bit lifeless without you.

 

[BrunoBæ]

that sliding is still gaining time.

At least on that part I dont fully agree.
But I dont know if there is a difference between car types.

BUT to the best of my knowledge (or rather experience) then at least in the F-Ulti G1 you absolutely loose time if you (even shortly) slide the rear out in a high speed corner.
As example the in finishing corner at modern Monza then there is a rather huge difference between waiting a bit before flooring exiting to the straight or flooring too early and letting the rear stepping a bit out.

CatsAreTheWorstDogs: Actually I think that at least conserning the high powered Formula cars then Reiza should allow a bit more sliding/drifting before you loose time.
Hehe but its probably more my own impatience than Reizas fault.

 

[BrunoBæ]

CatsAreTheWorstDogs: I think you're not banned anymore on the Reiza forums, you should come back, bit lifeless without you.

Hehe thank you my good man - but no.
The moderator banned me completely just because I had posted a "Get a life" to some embicile idiot who for one reason or another had "Disagreed" about 50+ of my posts - backwards to almost ½ a year from before he joined the forum himself.
But before I could titulate the moderator in the same way I was banned.

CatsAreTheWorstDogs: Enjoy your slightly more lifeless forum

 

[BrunoBæ]

CatsAreTheWorstDogs: Answeres like I can prove you wrong because I have set several PB TT laps on my 2nd and 3rd lap - is too idiotic to be taken serious.
Hehe because ... no I dont want to use time on that.

To avoid any misunderstanding then this pretty ironic remark does only mean that if somebody tried to prove me wrong by driving the 1st lap slow as an old granny and prowdly was able to drive the 2nd lap faster then he has only proved his IQ is as a monkey.

CatsAreTheWorstDogs: Sorry monkeys

 

[Wu !]

To avoid any misunderstanding then this pretty ironic remark does only mean that if somebody tried to prove me wrong by driving the 1st lap slow as an old granny and prowdly was able to drive the 2nd lap faster then he has only proved his IQ is as a monkey.

CatsAreTheWorstDogs: Sorry monkeys

Classy

 

[Kurupt CDN]

But I dont know if there is a difference between car types.

it is not the ridiculous power slide like before, I've found on a few tracks that have flat curbing on the inside of a tight turn using the stock car....if you ride those curbs and give a little gas, the car will spin off, rotate quickly with a bit of a slide, and shoot out of the corner gaining quite a bit of time.

Not sure if it is realistic, but for some reason, I vaguely remember a pro driver saying this was a technique....i think it was for FWD cars?

 

[BrunoBæ]

if you ride those curbs and give a little gas, the car will spin off, rotate quickly with a bit of a slide, and shoot out of the corner gaining quite a bit of time.

Not sure if it is realistic, but for some reason, I vaguely remember a pro driver saying this was a technique....i think it was for FWD cars?

You are broadening the slide aspect way more than the slight slidening I was talking about.
When I say that you are punished laptime-ish if you are even sliding "slightly".
By that I mean that if you in TT mode has been able to lap a track 10 times inside the same 0.1xx then you will recognize that the laps where you can hear even a low tire scream because of a beginning slide - is slower.
Compared with laps taken without this slight excessing slide.

CatsAreTheWorstDogs: Conserning pro drivers then another crazy dane Nicki Thiim does often rable about his joy of what he calls "curb riding". But he doesnt exactly say it makes him faster - just say its fun.

 

[BrunoBæ]

You are precluding the one answer that makes sense: the tires going off very quickly in TT and not resetting next lap.

Eventhough you probably consider it impossible then I have been contemplating DEEPLY about your explanation.
Its HARD to admit - oh man - but you could be right.

CatsAreTheWorstDogs: I havent really decided if I fully agree with your explanation - but Im working on it

 

[steelreserv]

it is not the ridiculous power slide like before, I've found on a few tracks that have flat curbing on the inside of a tight turn using the stock car....if you ride those curbs and give a little gas, the car will spin off, rotate quickly with a bit of a slide, and shoot out of the corner gaining quite a bit of time.

Not sure if it is realistic, but for some reason, I vaguely remember a pro driver saying this was a technique....i think it was for FWD cars?

This is indeed realistic. The speed doesn't come from the slide, it comes from the added rotation that an inside kerb nibble can grant you.

By the way: The reiza forums is doing just fine. Its probably best to post these types of threads far away from the people that would actually know the answer to avoid individual embarrassment.

 

[BrunoBæ]

At least there is one(1) of the many BUGs in AMS2 that make my day(s).
Thank you Reiza for the TT ghost/setup save BUG in F-Ulti Gen2.
Please dont solve it.
No Reiza Im absolutely not ironic - this time
Because all the lazy and/or no-skilled setup stealers are not able to steal my special setups for this car.

 

[JohnyUtah]

This is indeed realistic. The speed doesn't come from the slide, it comes from the added rotation that an inside kerb nibble can grant you.

By the way: The reiza forums is doing just fine. Its probably best to post these types of threads far away from the people that would actually know the answer to avoid individual embarrassment.

Hey steel. Hows it going? Been doing any league racing lately?

 

[JohnyUtah]

Ok, so I have turned some more laps and this is my honest two cents about things right now. Mostly dealing with GT3 as it is my most used class. I do believe they have changed some of the aspects of the tires or some element that effects grip. When the update first launched with the stiffer tires they had more grip and did give the driver, in my opinion, a more detailed felling of the car. It may have been too much of a change for some cars and I get them dialing it back its just the AMG and the GTE cars felt really realistic and weighty the way they were just after the update. Perhaps cars that the stiffer tires did not work so well with should have less of the effect but for the AMG it really worked. That is not to say that it feels bad now. It feels as good as it did last month. I really dont feel the stiffer tire in the Gen 2 or stock pro now so I dont know if there was a universal change made to the game or what. And as long as I am airing grievances, the 720 is still 12 kph fast at the down hill section of Bathurst compared to the AMG. This is easy to test. Just get the two cars set the down force the same and camber the same and turn a lap. This means the best drivers could not beat an average driver with that level of disadvantage.

 

[wolftree]

And as long as I am airing grievances, the 720 is still 12 kph fast at the down hill section of Bathurst compared to the AMG. This is easy to test. Just get the two cars set the down force the same and camber the same and turn a lap. This means the best drivers could not beat an average driver with that level of disadvantage.

Same old story with turbos at altitude... don't drive NA cars at high-altitude tracks if you want to be competitive until they make it possible to remove the turbo hp advantage.

 

[JohnyUtah]

Isnt the 720 the only turbo in GT3. I am sure when this was put into the game it was believed that it would add a level of realism. In reality it just makes a broken game. The class has 4 cars how can they be unbalanced. Moreover, I could over look this if perhaps at sea level tracks the 720 suffered, but no. Its just balanced on those tracks. So basically on half the tracks its race the 720 or lose. And on top of all of it, the 720 is the worst car for a noob to get behind. All they end up doing is taking out half the field. I call these people 4 turn drivers. Some how they know every track up to the 4th turn. Maybe they have never seen the 5th not sure.

 

[Gevatter]

Isnt the 720 the only turbo in GT3.

No, the BMW M6 is a Turbo as well, so if it's the atmospheric pressure, the BMW should also benefit from it to some degree.