Locking up all the time

Jonathan Rowland · Mar 21, 2015

So, I'm not new to racing games, but not amazing either.

But I'm having real trouble with locking up.

For example was running a race in the Ferrari 458 GT2 with all assits off. And if I press my pedal more than about 35-50% I lock up, I cant even get near 100% braking.

I've tried everything I can think of with the game settings and driving style and nothing seems to make any difference. I've tried applying the brake hard and then towards the end of the braking zone lifting off, but the problem is I lock up straight away. I've tried being really light on the pedal but I need to brake at about 300m if not more. And I've also tried pumping the brakes, and that just ends up with on and off locking.

I have a Thrustmaster F430 FFB wheel, but cant seem to find any wheel settings in the sticky for it.

Any ideas as to what's going on? Or is this normal and I just need to be very very careful on the brakes?

Si · Mar 21, 2015

maybe have a look at your brake gamma in your controls settings.

Caediel · Mar 21, 2015

Fully press down the break pedal a few times before leaving the pits. Pumping the breaks before going out on track works for me. Don't know what causes that but that makes things way less sensitive for me.

Jonathan Rowland · Mar 21, 2015

Si said:
maybe have a look at your brake gamma in your controls settings.

Yeah, I've tried all the settings, from 1.00 flat line to 5.00 big curve at the end, nothing seems to help

Jonathan Rowland · Mar 21, 2015

Caediel said:
Fully press down the break pedal a few times before leaving the pits. Pumping the breaks before going out on track works for me. Don't know what causes that but that makes things way less sensitive for me.

Ok, I'll try that next time I play, see if it helps and let you know

Marian Zelenka · Mar 22, 2015

Yeah, It's often tricky to press brake to full without ABS too. There isn't any brake pressure setting in car setup menu. That's the main culprit I guess.

Frank · Mar 22, 2015

Caediel said:
Fully press down the break pedal a few times before leaving the pits. Pumping the breaks before going out on track works for me. Don't know what causes that but that makes things way less sensitive for me.

This is what I do works great.

Jonathan Rowland · Mar 23, 2015

Ok, so I've just tried the game again. And pumped the brakes before i went out of the pits, and much much better, I'm no longer frustrated by lock ups. I will still sometimes lock up a little, but am able to ease off and stop it, whereas before that probably wouldn't have been the case unless I'd almost lifted off entirely. And also now i notice sometimes i'll only lock up one wheel rather than before it was both without fail.

So thanks for the quick helpful responses guys

Is this just a little bug then that they still have to iron out? Or is is something to do with driving a real racing car, as i don't have experience driving one!

Radu Oros · Mar 23, 2015

Jonathan Rowland said:
Ok, so I've just tried the game again. And pumped the brakes before i went out of the pits, and much much better, I'm no longer frustrated by lock ups. I will still sometimes lock up a little, but am able to ease off and stop it, whereas before that probably wouldn't have been the case unless I'd almost lifted off entirely. And also now i notice sometimes i'll only lock up one wheel rather than before it was both without fail.

So thanks for the quick helpful responses guys

Is this just a little bug then that they still have to iron out? Or is is something to do with driving a real racing car, as i don't have experience driving one!

It's calibration of your physical pedals. Happens mostly with Logitech, after you plug usb and power, you need to press a few times each pedal. Otherwise they might work as a switch (digital, on and off), instead of analog.

Ryan Soucy · Mar 23, 2015

Use the ABS at Factory level. If the car was designed to be raced with ABS, you would be doing the opposite of sim racing by turning off that particular aid. ABS (and TC) is a real part of GT racing nowadays to the chagrin of traditionalists. Speed + Performance > "Purity of the experience".

Then again, I don't know if the 458 GT has ABS.

Jonathan Rowland · Mar 23, 2015

I have ABS set at factory, cause the cars that have ABS I have no issue with. So I don't think the 458 GT2 has ABS. It would male sense if it doesn't, high end racing cars tend not to have it so the skill of the driver is tested more

James Hemp · Mar 23, 2015

Jonathan Rowland said:
I have a Thrustmaster F430 FFB wheel, but cant seem to find any wheel settings in the sticky for it.

PM me tomorrow or wednesday and i will send you my setting

Edu Martinez · Mar 23, 2015

@Jonathan Rowland Try to put brake bias to 64, and when tyres are hot enough you can put it up a bit. Ferrari GT2 locks brakes easily.

Blkout · Mar 24, 2015

I leave ABS at factory setting. Damn all you non-ABS haters. If the car has ABS from the factory, then I want it in my sim car too.

hexagramme · Mar 24, 2015

Marian Zelenka said:
Yeah, It's often tricky to press brake to full without ABS too. There isn't any brake pressure setting in car setup menu. That's the main culprit I guess.

Why is it that AC still doesn't offer this option in the setup menu? Does anyone know?

Blkout · Mar 24, 2015

The brake gamma is what controls that if I'm not mistaken. When its set at 1, its a 1:1 ratio of input to response, higher settings are more sensitive.

Jimlaad43 · Mar 24, 2015

The Ferrari GT2 and the Formula Abarth are notorious for having ridiculously sensitive brakes. Try other cars of a similar category like the Corvettes to see that it is just something of a problem with that car in particular.

Marian Zelenka · Mar 25, 2015

Blkout said:
The brake gamma is what controls that if I'm not mistaken. When its set at 1, its a 1:1 ratio of input to response, higher settings are more sensitive.

I wouldn't mess with that much. For load cell is good when set to 1. It's a shame we still don't have brake pressure adjustment when it was present in older sims.

Lotus 49 is really a challenge when previously trying other cars.

John-Eric Saxén · Mar 26, 2015

In my view racing with ABS is as silly as TC, luckily F1 cars got rid of those aids.

Blkout said:
The brake gamma is what controls that if I'm not mistaken. When its set at 1, its a 1:1 ratio of input to response, higher settings are more sensitive.

Gamma controls the brake response curve, it doesn't affect the maximum pedal force you get by pressing the pedal fully down unlike brake pressure.

hexagramme said:
Why is it that AC still doesn't offer this option in the setup menu? Does anyone know?

Regarding street cars, I might be wrong but I guess those cars don't have some brake pressure setting adjustable easily in real life.

Ryan Soucy · Mar 26, 2015

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't change steering rack ratio in car setup either? I have been getting around this by using two different presets in my Forza CSR wheel, but not everyone has that option. It's aggravating that the race cars and street cars have such a different ratio.