Fernando Agapito
RDRC S4 Overall Champion
Hey Warren I have a suggestion, with Roy's choice of event, how about we do a winner's choice stages for the next rally . Just like in WRC qualifying event where the fastest driver chooses his starting position, but we'll just make it stages here in the club, you know just for a change. Just a suggestion
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Thanks Fernando, I'm always happy to receive ideas for future Club rallys.
I'm not sure if you are proposing this as a one off Rally, occasional Rallys, or for on-going Rallys.
I've always had a policy of being open to proposals for new Club Rallys from ALL drivers, and in most cases I have included these proposals (eg. Roy has submitted many and we have used them). Similarly I have used others as well.
So, I have a preference for allowing ANYONE to have their proposals adopted, not just winners / elite drivers.
A couple of things might concern me a bit with this proposal (if we were to use it for all events):
1. The stages (or full Rallys) could become controlled by the "elite" drivers, with the winner continually picking their favourite stages to help maintain the winning privilege.
2. I'd prefer to see Rallys planned with the car choice and stages combined, if only the stages are picked by the winner, they may not match well with the car chosen by someone else.
3. We would need to have the new rally design submitted almost immediately after the previous rally winner is named. It takes us time right now to get banners made, test stages / cars, and event details drawn up.
4. The primary aim of the rally Club has always been to help keep lots of variety, variation in cars, stages, weather, etc, and to help introduce new drivers into RBR and RD Rallying. The focus is always more on having fun, and exploring new content in RSRBR, rather than on just winning, I wouldn't like to see that change. As explained previously, the RDRC is for the more serious competitive Rallying, the Rally Club should be maintained as something different.
However, having explained those concerns, I'm sure we could find ways to make your suggestion work, provided the "winners" fit in with the Club aims. I'll listen to what the majority want, and I'd love to have suggestions from anyone for future events. I know my events probably get stale after a while.
As an "occasional" event, sounds like a good idea . Is that what you mean?
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My proposal was for on-going Rallys but it will be for a limited period only and we could do it occasionally, here's my ideas:
For example, we could start it after RDRC round 1, the next 3 club events on that weeks would be the qualifying event for winner's choice rally (normal random events that are still choosen by you). Rally winner(s) of each event can create his own custom event (Car and Stages like Roy's Frosbite Run) and it will be scheduled for the next 3 rally club events after RDRC round 2, so that would deal with your concern #3. The cycle starts again after RDRC round 3, and that would deal with your concern #1, 2, 4 since it will be a normal random events again.
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Thanks Fernando. I'm not sure it totally deals with my concerns #1 and 4, but I guess that we would soon see once we tried it.
Personally, I'd rather see ANY driver submitting Rally plans, but I'm happy to give this a go on a trial basis. If we saw "elite" drivers "looking after their own interests", then it would cease immediately.
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My idea was based on the WRC starting position qualifying event so its the winner who gets to choose, but yeah an event from any club driver is great.
Thanks for considering my proposal
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I like the idea of competitors making an admin contribution to the Club Rallies but I share Warren's concerns about the person choosing the event stages/cars to their own liking or strengths. How about when you post a new event choose a number and the person who finishes in that spot has to make the selections for the next or a subsequent rally - or make it so the lower finishers get to choose the stages - that would perhaps help their progress up the ladder
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Realistically, I'm not sure everyone would want the responsibility of choosing events, so either way it would be voluntary.
Just one more reminder, I already have a system that allows anyone to submit Rallys, but I don't get flooded with proposals.
This process would still be available for events not included in this plan.
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I thought it too, that would be the big concern about the whole plan. Well it's up to you warren, just sharing my idea
Hey Warren I have a suggestion, with Roy's choice of event, how about we do a winner's choice stages for the next rally . Just like in WRC qualifying event where the fastest driver chooses his starting position, but we'll just make it stages here in the club, you know just for a change. Just a suggestion
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Thanks Fernando, I'm always happy to receive ideas for future Club rallys.
I'm not sure if you are proposing this as a one off Rally, occasional Rallys, or for on-going Rallys.
I've always had a policy of being open to proposals for new Club Rallys from ALL drivers, and in most cases I have included these proposals (eg. Roy has submitted many and we have used them). Similarly I have used others as well.
So, I have a preference for allowing ANYONE to have their proposals adopted, not just winners / elite drivers.
A couple of things might concern me a bit with this proposal (if we were to use it for all events):
1. The stages (or full Rallys) could become controlled by the "elite" drivers, with the winner continually picking their favourite stages to help maintain the winning privilege.
2. I'd prefer to see Rallys planned with the car choice and stages combined, if only the stages are picked by the winner, they may not match well with the car chosen by someone else.
3. We would need to have the new rally design submitted almost immediately after the previous rally winner is named. It takes us time right now to get banners made, test stages / cars, and event details drawn up.
4. The primary aim of the rally Club has always been to help keep lots of variety, variation in cars, stages, weather, etc, and to help introduce new drivers into RBR and RD Rallying. The focus is always more on having fun, and exploring new content in RSRBR, rather than on just winning, I wouldn't like to see that change. As explained previously, the RDRC is for the more serious competitive Rallying, the Rally Club should be maintained as something different.
However, having explained those concerns, I'm sure we could find ways to make your suggestion work, provided the "winners" fit in with the Club aims. I'll listen to what the majority want, and I'd love to have suggestions from anyone for future events. I know my events probably get stale after a while.
As an "occasional" event, sounds like a good idea . Is that what you mean?
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As an "occasional" event, sounds like a good idea . Is that what you mean?
My proposal was for on-going Rallys but it will be for a limited period only and we could do it occasionally, here's my ideas:
For example, we could start it after RDRC round 1, the next 3 club events on that weeks would be the qualifying event for winner's choice rally (normal random events that are still choosen by you). Rally winner(s) of each event can create his own custom event (Car and Stages like Roy's Frosbite Run) and it will be scheduled for the next 3 rally club events after RDRC round 2, so that would deal with your concern #3. The cycle starts again after RDRC round 3, and that would deal with your concern #1, 2, 4 since it will be a normal random events again.
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Thanks Fernando. I'm not sure it totally deals with my concerns #1 and 4, but I guess that we would soon see once we tried it.
Personally, I'd rather see ANY driver submitting Rally plans, but I'm happy to give this a go on a trial basis. If we saw "elite" drivers "looking after their own interests", then it would cease immediately.
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My idea was based on the WRC starting position qualifying event so its the winner who gets to choose, but yeah an event from any club driver is great.
Thanks for considering my proposal
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My idea was based on the WRC starting position qualifying event so its the winner who gets to choose, but yeah an event from any club driver is great.
Thanks for considering my proposal
I like the idea of competitors making an admin contribution to the Club Rallies but I share Warren's concerns about the person choosing the event stages/cars to their own liking or strengths. How about when you post a new event choose a number and the person who finishes in that spot has to make the selections for the next or a subsequent rally - or make it so the lower finishers get to choose the stages - that would perhaps help their progress up the ladder
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How about when you post a new event choose a number and the person who finishes in that spot has to make the selections for the next or a subsequent rally -
Realistically, I'm not sure everyone would want the responsibility of choosing events, so either way it would be voluntary.
Just one more reminder, I already have a system that allows anyone to submit Rallys, but I don't get flooded with proposals.
This process would still be available for events not included in this plan.
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Realistically, I'm not sure everyone would want the responsibility of choosing events, so either way it would be voluntary.
I thought it too, that would be the big concern about the whole plan. Well it's up to you warren, just sharing my idea