Ryzen 3 For sim racing
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AMD has higher IPC (instructions per clock) than Intel generally, so clock speed number does not compare exactly.
Brand new Ryzen 5000 beats Intel single core performance even below 5ghz, finally after so many years being behind, Ryzen 3000 is generally 10% slower single core performance to Intel but better value for core count. Threadripper 3000 (TRX 40 sTRX4) is same single core performance to Ryzen 3000 but scaled up to get get 24 - 64 core cpus amazing for productivity if you need it for work. But for simracing complete and utter overkill. Maybe if you do video editing its worth getting, but even then a 16 core 3950x is far more sensible choice for that.
Why are you thinking of going for TRX40, sTRX4 though? That is Threadripper not Ryzen, and as above is only really worth getting for productivity. There is no news on Threadripper 5000 coming out, maybe sometime next year, I mean its currently dominating its market segment over x299 so no real need to.
I think you may mean Ryzen AM4, a B550 or X570 motherboard with a 5000 series CPU (5600x 5800x and 5900x all being released on the 5th of nov) will be the fastest CPU on the market for gaming until Intel Releases Rocket Lake next year and there is doubt it will be as good as they are going to use the 14nm process but on a new architecture.
Brand new Ryzen 5000 beats Intel single core performance even below 5ghz, finally after so many years being behind, Ryzen 3000 is generally 10% slower single core performance to Intel but better value for core count. Threadripper 3000 (TRX 40 sTRX4) is same single core performance to Ryzen 3000 but scaled up to get get 24 - 64 core cpus amazing for productivity if you need it for work. But for simracing complete and utter overkill. Maybe if you do video editing its worth getting, but even then a 16 core 3950x is far more sensible choice for that.
Why are you thinking of going for TRX40, sTRX4 though? That is Threadripper not Ryzen, and as above is only really worth getting for productivity. There is no news on Threadripper 5000 coming out, maybe sometime next year, I mean its currently dominating its market segment over x299 so no real need to.
I think you may mean Ryzen AM4, a B550 or X570 motherboard with a 5000 series CPU (5600x 5800x and 5900x all being released on the 5th of nov) will be the fastest CPU on the market for gaming until Intel Releases Rocket Lake next year and there is doubt it will be as good as they are going to use the 14nm process but on a new architecture.
I am 52. Back in April I built my first PC ever using a 3700X/X570 MB combo (for future proofing) and paired it with a used $425 RTX1080ti GPU. Sadly, I have yet to test it with my puny 1080p 24" triple monitors but I am reasonably certain it will yield reasonable results in all but ACC.
The Ryzen CPUs are a great value and now you have the benefit of watching Nvidia duke it out with AMD on the GPU front. As little use I jave made of my PC, I likely should have waited to build it.
The Ryzen CPUs are a great value and now you have the benefit of watching Nvidia duke it out with AMD on the GPU front. As little use I jave made of my PC, I likely should have waited to build it.
Agree AMD is the best choice now, but I don't agree with OP post about getting a 24-64 core Threadripper as 5 year future proofing. Game engines in sim racing simply are not evolving quickly enough. Nothing in simracing world even uses more than 6 threads yet, and barely anything even uses DX12 yet (which is more multithread friendly). So single thread performance is going to be king for quite a few years yet.
Also Amd architecture is changing year on year at the moment with huge jumps in IPC and I think we will be in a different place in 5 years. 5nm, DDR 5 and 3d stacking Etc. I.e single thread performance jumps will be so big it will eclipse multi thread cpu performances.
When this is happening why would developers break a sweat on making game engines use more and more threads? They will but not to the levels your talking about unfortunately.
So yeah if you want to be a smart consumer buy a more reasonable costing Ryzen AM platform x570 being the best at the moment and get the fastest cpu and ram you can afford, next month 5000 series are the fastest cpus to get for gaming the 5950x being the fastest, but I don't think there is a platform that will last 5 years, more like upgrade every 2. 2022 Its Zen4 and AM5 platform with DDR5 RAM. That could be another huge jump.
A 3960x 24 core has similar gaming performance to a 3800x. The only reason to buy Threadripper is if you use pure multithread workloads. Like I use Vectorworks which has cinema 4d r23 built in and needs as many cores as you have to render scenes (so I got a 3950x 16 core). But then Vectorworks is still single thread dependant in many drawing workloads as well so it needs both super fast cores and lots of them. I did use a 2970wx 24 core it rendered like champ but it was a bit too slow for the day to day drawing work.
Hope this all makes sense. Buy the best platform for your use case.
Also Amd architecture is changing year on year at the moment with huge jumps in IPC and I think we will be in a different place in 5 years. 5nm, DDR 5 and 3d stacking Etc. I.e single thread performance jumps will be so big it will eclipse multi thread cpu performances.
When this is happening why would developers break a sweat on making game engines use more and more threads? They will but not to the levels your talking about unfortunately.
So yeah if you want to be a smart consumer buy a more reasonable costing Ryzen AM platform x570 being the best at the moment and get the fastest cpu and ram you can afford, next month 5000 series are the fastest cpus to get for gaming the 5950x being the fastest, but I don't think there is a platform that will last 5 years, more like upgrade every 2. 2022 Its Zen4 and AM5 platform with DDR5 RAM. That could be another huge jump.
A 3960x 24 core has similar gaming performance to a 3800x. The only reason to buy Threadripper is if you use pure multithread workloads. Like I use Vectorworks which has cinema 4d r23 built in and needs as many cores as you have to render scenes (so I got a 3950x 16 core). But then Vectorworks is still single thread dependant in many drawing workloads as well so it needs both super fast cores and lots of them. I did use a 2970wx 24 core it rendered like champ but it was a bit too slow for the day to day drawing work.
Hope this all makes sense. Buy the best platform for your use case.
Going AMD 5900X myself, haven't had an AMD system since maybe 2009 AMD 64, last three PC builds were i5 4500, i7 7700k and my current PC i9 9900K.
My 9900K out performs my mates 3900X in gaming (exact same GFX) but I think this time around Intel have nothing to offer me, that cannot be bettered by AMD Ryzen, so I made my decision have already purchased the system minus the CPU and GPU more than like sticking with Nvidia.
As this build will just be for my sim rig I wasn't interested in the AMD multicore performance before, but now they have the best of both worlds I'm all in.
I'm really excited about this build and in the new year I will sort out a GPU probably a 3080 Ti if it happens
I think intel became complacent and have dropped the ball big time, If it wasn't for ACC being so demanding I would maybe miss this generation but as I need a better 2nd PC I have talked myself into it
My 9900K out performs my mates 3900X in gaming (exact same GFX) but I think this time around Intel have nothing to offer me, that cannot be bettered by AMD Ryzen, so I made my decision have already purchased the system minus the CPU and GPU more than like sticking with Nvidia.
As this build will just be for my sim rig I wasn't interested in the AMD multicore performance before, but now they have the best of both worlds I'm all in.
I'm really excited about this build and in the new year I will sort out a GPU probably a 3080 Ti if it happens
I think intel became complacent and have dropped the ball big time, If it wasn't for ACC being so demanding I would maybe miss this generation but as I need a better 2nd PC I have talked myself into it
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Very glad I can miss this gen at 1440p pancake mode 3900X and RTX2080 all sims are fast enough for 100-144Hz
I be waiting for next gen AMD CPU/GPU ...............oh I better start saving now
I be waiting for next gen AMD CPU/GPU ...............oh I better start saving now
