Ryzen AM5 ; 7000

[Rebel_488]

Ryzen Master would be easier to read since it always looks identical for everyone.
It warns you when starting it but it really doesn't do anything if you don't change anything.
And you absolutely can't change anything "by accident". The default screen is just the read out. To change something you need to go into the preset pages etc.

Where the hell have u been man? Lol

 

[RasmusP]

Where the hell have u been man? Lol

Some Deadlines this week.. Sorry I went awol
Gonna go through the rest tomorrow. Hopefully no cou/mobo melts itself until then

 

[EIF]

Im on bios F4b, latest is F5b

I'l have to install Ryzen Master. The only "performance tweak" Ive done is to enable EXPO so memory runs at 6000Mhz instead of 5200Mhz.

Am I leaving performance on the table by not dabbling with PBO, overclocking gains seem so minimal these days.

edit: Ryzen Master main page on my system

 

[Bob Gnarley]

@ Eifion

If you get your bios updates from Gigabyte it will say in the notes on the right hand side if it contains the fix.

Although we still call it a bios (basic input-output system), current boards don't have a bios. They have a UEFI (unified extensible firmware interface, thanks wikipedia!), bios's being an older thing.

Older peripherals may not be recognized by the UEFI. CSM (compatibility support module) effectively emulates the bios environment so that those older items can still be used within the UEFI.

For anyone concerned, not just is this a known issue by amd but one they are responsible for. I would expect them to honour all genuine warranty claims provided you have proof of purchase. I would also expect that to cover damaged boards.

If a fix hasn't been issued for your board yet, because of the seriousness, i would expect all boards to be covered asap. Once the amended bios UEFI has been applied it should be business as usual.

 

[Durge Driven]

I would give Master the flick, don't see why you need to OC these ?
If you don't use iRacing you can disable workstation unless you use anything else needs it.

 

[EIF]

No specific mention of this issue in the UEFI notes for my motherboard

B650 AORUS ELITE AX (rev. 1.0/1.1) Support | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...

www.gigabyte.com

My gpu is old, a GTX1060 from 2016 so I assume thats why I require CSM. Hopefully when I get a new gpu I can turn CSM off, though I heard this also requires a fresh windows install?

Does everything seem in order in my Rzyen Master screengrab?

 

[RasmusP]

Wtf at the file sizes allowed now, i had to compress this to get a 1.5mb file to such a small size

Afaik they always were 1.5MB. I need to compress everything too..

what u thinking?

Looks good!

Edit again I have my before and after photos with new bios but I can’t seem to compress them enough to be uploaded here

I'm wondering why we don't see the SoC voltage in Ryzen Master.. I thought we'd see everything important but it doesn't seem to be the case

About compressing: If you drag&drop or "open with" paint, you can just save the picture as jpeg and it will be compressed quite a lot, mostly ending up smaller than the limit.
You can also reduce the size with paint, quite simple and effective.

Or you can send it to yourself in telegram and then right-click -> copy image

image 1 is new bios no changes and second one is with my bios changed.

Gonna be interesting if the RAM will be stable with that lowered voltage

Seems aggressive profile in my mobo not only tightens the timings but raises the voltages to 1.35

Ah, yeah it does. And it's probably needed too. Tightening timings can need higher voltages than raising the MHz.

I hope this is useful, most of the info is alien to me, I just use them to monitor temps and frequencies ha
Thanks

I have absolutely no idea what's what there
But looking at your Ryzen Master screenshot later, all seems fine

Its not straight forward though because I have enable CSM (not sure what it isa even) for my gpu to work. After updating bios I also have to clear CMOS which disables CSM so I have to swap connections back and forth from gpu to onboard display . . . then pray it posts.

My gpu is old, a GTX1060 from 2016 so I assume thats why I require CSM. Hopefully when I get a new gpu I can turn CSM off, though I heard this also requires a fresh windows install?

Apparently that can be normal with "older" GPUs.
Try this:

NVIDIA Graphics Firmware Update Tool for DisplayPort 1.3 and 1.4 Displays

Download English (U.S.) drivers for NVIDIA hardware - , , ,

www.nvidia.com

Am I leaving performance on the table by not dabbling with PBO, overclocking gains seem so minimal these days.

Yes and no. For simracing, we mostly need single thread performance and boosting some cores 200 MHz higher gives you exactly that same performance plus.
So 2000 MHz boost clock + 200 MHz = 10% higher fps.
200 MHz at above 5 GHz isn't much though... But it's "free", so why not.

Just don't use positive curve optimizer values!

If a fix hasn't been issued for your board yet, because of the seriousness, i would expect all boards to be covered asap.

If you get your bios updates from Gigabyte it will say in the notes on the right hand side if it contains the fix.

No specific mention of this issue in the UEFI notes for my motherboard

To these 3 quotes:
It will be included with AGESA 1.0.7.0. The F5b includes 1.0.0.6, which isn't the fix.
So we'll have to wait a little bit for the B650 boards from Gigabyte.
I have the B650 Gaming X AX. Will probably get the update at the same time.

Does everything seem in order in my Rzyen Master screengrab?

Yep, all seems fine to my eyes!

I would give Master the flick, don't see why you need to OC these ?

It's just to check things with the same layout for everyone. Nothing to do with OC in our cases.
I would also strongly advice against OCing via ryzen Master. Ram values get written into the bios and you can't change them without resetting the whole bios.
Happened to me...

 

[Bob Gnarley]

Thank you for clarifying Rasmus.

I heard this also requires a fresh windows install?

I don't know if there is a way of doing it on the fly and not losing your install but with CSM enabled you are, if you like, running in bios mode. A bios needs the boot drive to be set up with a 32 bit MBR partition.

In UEFI mode with CSM disabled, the UEFI needs the boot drive to have a 64 bit GPT partition, so unless a workaround exists, a reinstall will be required.

You will also need access to a second machine to plug the drive into, delete all existing files and perform the reformat. It isn't something that can be done without a working machine & windows. Or get a replacement drive then reformat your existing one for storage if access is a problem.

 

[EIF]

Years ago in my old pc I converted my windows ssd from mbr to gpt by booting off a windows installer usb and running a command via command prompt which worked great. Would that be possible in this case perhaps.

On my new am5 system, windows is on a nvme drive which makes it tricky to reformat on another pc since mine are ancient. I'l probably just get another drive, or leave CSM on ha.

edit: according to disk management my windows disk is GPT

 

[Rebel_488]

No specific mention of this issue in the UEFI notes for my motherboard

B650 AORUS ELITE AX (rev. 1.0/1.1) Support | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...

www.gigabyte.com

My gpu is old, a GTX1060 from 2016 so I assume thats why I require CSM. Hopefully when I get a new gpu I can turn CSM off, though I heard this also requires a fresh windows install?

Does everything seem in order in my Rzyen Master screengrab?

Your soc was visible in the hwinfo screen shot. It’s grand man. We just use ryzen master to check bios changes are in effect really.

As for oc the cpu basically we r all looking to boost it 200 and undervolt with pbo (up to -30). There’s a few other changes too but it’s very easy.
I can’t decide if I need to run a clean bios atm or I’m ok with my changes, they haven’t been totally clear and my soc has always been 1.something so I’m pretty sure I’m ok, now I want to move onto ram soon lol

 

[Durge Driven]

It's just to check things with the same layout for everyone. Nothing to do with OC in our cases.
I would also strongly advice against OCing via ryzen Master. Ram values get written into the bios and you can't change them without resetting the whole bios.
Happened to me...

Yeah understand that. Just saying they don't need overclocking for mine.
After I had checked bios and voltages are fine next OS I would not install Master and/or disable Workstation along with other services.
Master and iRacing need workstation.

Also keep saved bios profiles on usb stick

 

[Rebel_488]

i hate u cant load the saved profile onto a new bios, i flipped my monitor and now im realising that its not going to work out if i want to keep editing the bios. that was torture to update all my settings with the screen upside down.

 

[Neilski]

I'm wondering why we don't see the SoC voltage in Ryzen Master.. I thought we'd see everything important but it doesn't seem to be the case

It shows a "VDDCR SOC" - isn't that the one you mean?

 

[RasmusP]

It shows a "VDDCR SOC" - isn't that the one you mean?

That only shows for the one screenshot, not for the others..
Might be due to the beta bios?

Hwinfo64 shows the SoC though. But everyone has a different layout and different sensors there...

 

[Neilski]

That only shows for the one screenshot, not for the others..

Ah, didn't see a Master screenshot missing that info.

 

[EIF]

Do you lose much my running in ECO mode? Im sure I watched some videos which showed very little perf drop by running 65W eco mode.

I was a bit concerned about the 7600X's power draw when I bought it in December but being lazy I havent really looked into optimizing it yet.

The 7600X has made a big difference to my gaming experience where I was badly cpu bound (large grids in sims etc), but in general desktop use it's not massively more snappy than my ancient 2500K, but I did keep that system very lean and optimized.

 

[RasmusP]

Do you lose much my running in ECO mode? Im sure I watched some videos which showed very little perf drop by running 65W eco mode.

Just let Hwinfo64 run while doing your stuff (racing, working, whatever). In sensors only mode ofc.
Then use the clock symbol to reset the min/max/avg whenever you want to have a clean measurement.

My 7600x barely uses more than 55W. Only during loading screens or when restoring my 80+ chrome tabs

Instead of using the eco mode, you can either limit the temperature or limit the max power. Or both.

Eco mode afaik disables PBO.. Not sure...

I'd recommend to use pbo +200, curve optimizer at 0 or -10 for all cores and then limit the temperature to 75°C and the max power to 70W.

Simracing never uses all cores, so you won't run into the limits while racing.

I was a bit concerned about the 7600X's power draw when I bought it in December but being lazy I havent really looked into optimizing it yet.

Why? It's the smallest of the latest generation. The Intels draw way more and all other ryzen 7000 are also drawing more.

Any B650 board can handle the 7600x without reduced limits with ease.
And since the 7600x are the bigger CPUs with faulty cores, they can easily run within the default limits

The 7600X has made a big difference to my gaming experience where I was badly cpu bound (large grids in sims etc), but in general desktop use it's not massively more snappy than my ancient 2500K, but I did keep that system very lean and optimized

That's normal. The CPUs aren't the bottleneck for windows usage anymore. But tbh I don't know what is... Probably just too many layers of code after all the years.

 

[EIF]

What type of fan curve are you running for the cpu? Default curve on my system was very obnoxious . . . it would briefly spool up to max just by opening a simple .txt file Now I have it flat at 50% up to about 70c then ramp up to 100% at 85c. I could raise that threshold even more tbh since the chips are designed to run so warm. I'm using a dual fan air cooler (Deepcool AK620)

 

[RasmusP]

I'm using FanControl:

https://getfancontrol.com/

Started as a little tool in the ltt forums in 2019 or so and got pretty big after Jay's 2 cents made a video about it.

I can share my config tonight

You can set reaction speeds, histeresis only for going down etc.

My fans have 3 stages:
- Getting warm for more than 20s = 65% speed
- being cold for more than 20s = 25%

- getting hot = instant spin up

It never gets hot though apart from when rendering something on the cpu.

It uses the max of the cpu, mobo, gpu temp. So whatever gets hot, the fans spin accordingly. Pretty cool and completely calm!

 

[RasmusP]

This is my config. File attached to the post too.
I have 1 CPU fan and 6 case fans, 2x Y-cables.

The order is like this:
Custom Sensor with 10s delay to calm the speeds down. These go into the "SlowTempMix" and the maximum of the 3 is the output of that mix.
The BoostMix gets the raw sensors instead of the custom ones. Also the max is the output.

Then I have the "Trigger"-Curve, which is pretty self explanatory. Below 60°C = 35% speed ; above 80°C = 65% speed. And it needs to be outside of of 60-80°C for more than 2 seconds.
That Trigger-Curve gets the SlowTempMix though, which slows things down.

So opening a Chrome tab and my 7600X shooting one core to 85°C for half a second won't change anything at all.

And then there's the "Boost"-Curve with the raw inputs (BoostMix). That Curve is just a graph-step, that looks like this:

Hitting 87°C puts all fans to 100%, instantly. And only slows the fans down if the temperature is below 82°C (Hysteresis only applies on the way down).

These 2 curves go into the "SpeedMix", which outputs the maximum of the other curves.

All fancontrols have this "SpeedMix" as their input. They can step up with 50%/second but only step down with 16%/sec. So they spin up quite quickly but won't instantly slow down.

If you have a noisy fan that you'd like to only spin up if there's REALLY some temperature to get out of the case, you can select an offset (and bring it below the starting point of the fan) or use the start% and stop% .
The offset is brilliant if you have 2 identical fans and get interferences from them spinning at almost identical speeds. Just let one fan spin 2% faster and the noise will calm down.


I absolutely LOVE this little program! I used "Speedfan" for years but when upgrading from my 2600k to the 10600k, Speedfan wouldn't work anymore.
So I spent a week searching for an alternative and found this little tool in the LTT forums.

Here's the link to Jay's video:

About loading my config:
It won't work just by loading it up. The configs contain the IDs of the sensors and fans. So you can either re-configure all sensors and fans and match the controls to your fans OR you can use my screenshots and build your own config after doing the start-up configuration that links everything correctly.