Vettel vs Alonso: 2012 Formula One WDC (UPDATE)

[Tom]

I believe in the IF game Vettel would be 3rd or 2nd and Lewis will be P1 by atleast 30+ Points. And Alonso will be either 4th or 3rd with respect to Vettel's position wasn't it Tom??

I'm not too good at maths so I'll refrain from making a statement.

 

[Kartik Sri Harsha]

I'm not too good at maths so I'll refrain from making a statement.

I respect your statement But seriously Lewis Lost this Championship due to Mistakes of Team and Bad luck.
I really thought it was this year but every thing went wrong

 

[kelaroost]

Yeah thats true tom,
Anyone think there`s a lack of driver achievement for this 3rd world title sebastian vettel has won, because the car has been so easy to drive compared with other 3rd world tittle winners ?

 

[kelaroost]

Things like this give this 3rd world title a bitter taist.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/...ain-and-monaco-wins-but-forced-to-modify-car/

Allso it seems germans love to cheat (they have a history)

 

[kelaroost]

 

[Ho3n3r]

Things like this give this 3rd world title a bitter taist.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/...ain-and-monaco-wins-but-forced-to-modify-car/

Allso it seems germans love to cheat (they have a history)

Why? Vettel's passes were all perfectly legal.

And while what Ferrari did in Austin was perfectly legal, it's more morally incorrect than anything Red Bull have done, ever.

 

[kelaroost]

Having hole in the floor to push exhaust gassed into the defuser is banned, red bull ignored this but still held onto the points they gained with a banned design during bahrain and monoco.
They dont deserve to win the world title.
And ferrari swapping the driver was a tactic not a design of the car.

 

[Bram Hengeveld]

Also it seems germans love to cheat (they have a history)

Plato once cheated during a card game some 2400 years ago. All Greek must be cheaters as they have a history.

 

[James Hemp]

Sky released an article today but I don't quite understand what they are talking about here:

And the FIA?
According to Sky Sports F1's Ted Kravitz: "The FIA have just released a statement to journalists to say there is no case to answer, there was no passing under yellow flags in the first place. It was actually a trick of the TV screen. All the attention is on the light panels which are around the circuit and they supplement the marshals' flags that you get on any track.
"And if a marshal holds out a yellow flag, then you are not supposed to overtake and that is what people thought they were seeing. But actually the green light board was in the wrong place - there was a marshal flag before it saying that the danger zone had passed and we have had that confirmation from the FIA today. No infraction ever took place, they were satisfied at the time that Vettel did not overtake under yellow flags and as far as they are concerned it is case closed."

When did the FIA release this? After or before Ferrari's appeal?

And the part which I bolded sounds preety childish...

 

[Bram Hengeveld]

Was mentioned a few times already in the comments Alex (with wrong sources though). But FIA mentioned it exclusively to Autosport here: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104644

 

[kelaroost]

1960s driver and car 65% car 35% driver
2012 driver and car 85% car 15% driver (default)
lewis hamilton 80% car 20% driver
jenson button 82% car 18% driver
fernando alonso 81% car 19% driver
sebastian vettel 95% car 5% driver

There is no justice in this world.

 

[James Hemp]

Thanks Bram. I wasn't sure which happened first - Ferrari's appeal or FIA's refusal to analyse any further incidents.

 

[Kartik Sri Harsha]

Thanks Bram. I wasn't sure which happened first - Ferrari's appeal or FIA's refusal to analyse any further incidents.

From the looks both of them are Happened in identical time.

 

[Tom]

1960s driver and car 65% car 35% driver
2012 driver and car 85% car 15% driver (default)
lewis hamilton 80% car 20% driver
jenson button 82% car 18% driver
fernando alonso 81% car 19% driver
sebastian vettel 95% car 5% driver

There is no justice in this world.

Oh come on, stop hating. Vettel won, period. Reasons don't matter. Hating like that will surely not aid the reputation of Alonso and his fans.

On a side-note: I'm German and this must mean I cheat all the time. Thanks for that!

 

[Miroslav Davidovic]

Well, not that hard to win a title with four cars on the grid (or even more). I will never understand this, and why is nobody talking about that?
It's clear that the TR team is not racing the Red Bulls. Just imagine Sauber would do the same with the Ferraris. Incredible!
In fact just look back to Monza.

And the childish behavior of Helmut Marco. Everybody is against us blalblalballba. Can't hear that anymore.
It's the F1 damn! The teams were fighting, Red Bull was not even a company!

I am not a Ferrari fan but the Bulls are still not grown up enough for the F1 fights.
Just look back what happend in the F1 history, the fights which where written.

The incident between Senna and Vettel, oh my gosh. They have seen Sennas fault there. **§%%&§

Take a look at this incident and the incident between Schumacher and Jacques Villeneuve in 1997!
Arghhg i am off here. lol

 

[Kimi450]

The FIA have confirmed Vettel's pass was legal.

 

[Tom]

Well, not that hard to win a title with four cars on the grid (or even more). I will never understand this, and why is nobody talking about that?
It's clear that the TR team is not racing the Red Bulls. Just imagine Sauber would do the same with the Ferraris. Incredible!
In fact just look back to Monza.

And the childish behavior of Helmut Marco. Everybody is against us blalblalballba. Can't hear that anymore.
It's the F1 damn! The teams were fighting, Red Bull was not even a company!

I am not a Ferrari fan but the Bulls are still not grown up enough for the F1 fights.
Just look back what happend in the F1 history, the fights which where written.

The incident between Senna and Vettel, oh my gosh. They have seen Sennas fault there. **§%%&§

Take a look at this incident and the incident between Schumacher and Jacques Villeneuve in 1997!
Arghhg i am off here. lol

About Sauber: Ferrari did, in fact, ask Sauber to move over for them like 10 years or so ago. I don't know which race that was, sorry. :/

About Senna: yes, it was clearly Vettels fault but I think some camera angles aren't available when the race is still going. That's the only explanation I have for not getting that replay right away for everyone to see that it wasn't Senna who's been at fault in that situation.

 

[kelaroost]

lol

 

[Miroslav Davidovic]

Well, not that hard to win a title with four cars on the grid (or even more). I will never understand this, and why is nobody talking about that?
It's clear that the TR team is not racing the Red Bulls. Just imagine Sauber would do the same with the Ferraris. Incredible!
In fact just look back to Monza.

And the childish behavior of Helmut Marco. Everybody is against us blalblalballba. Can't hear that anymore.
It's the F1 damn! The teams were fighting, Red Bull was not even a company!

I am not a Ferrari fan but the Bulls are still not grown up enough for the F1 fights.
Just look back what happend in the F1 history, the fights which where written.

The incident between Senna and Vettel, oh my gosh. They have seen Sennas fault there. **§%%&§

Take a look at this incident and the incident between Schumacher and Jacques Villeneuve in 1997!
Arghhg i am off here. lol

About Sauber: Ferrari did, in fact, ask Sauber to move over for them like 10 years or so ago. I don't know which race that was, sorry. :/

About Senna: yes, it was clearly Vettels fault but I think some camera angles aren't available when the race is still going. That's the only explanation I have for not getting that replay right away for everyone to see that it wasn't Senna who's been at fault in that situation.

Ten years ago there were no regulations about a cooperation between 2 teems.
Now the gear box is the only thing where it is allowed to work together.
Hello!! They are moaning about TEAM ORDERS!!!
Stop me now please

 

[Tom]

Ten years ago there were no regulations about a cooperation between 2 teems.
Now the gear box is the only thing where it is allowed to work together.
Hello!! They are moaning about TEAM ORDERS!!!
Stop me now please

Team orders were actually prohibited from 2003 on until 2011. Now, does someone remember which incident caused the FIA to change their mind? Exactly, the 2002 race in Spielberg when Ferrari told Barrichello to slow down and hand the win to Schumacher.

Not the same race but here's some footage from how Ferrari used to give team orders.