We all wanna be faster right?

[TaknMdwN]

He all,

We all wanna be faster, and I was thinking about a way not only for my self to improve, but also to help others.
Sure there will be always quite a gap between 1st and last place, but at times it would be nice if it all was a bit closer.

I'm not sure how people think about my idea, but you can let me know

The idea is, that for a certain race I will upload 3 laps from 3 different drivers. The fastest lap, someone in the middle of the pack, and a slower lap. Combine them into one video and put in on Youtube.

Then i would post it here on the forums and for those that are interested, or those who don't mind helping others we could discuss what are the exact reason for the fast lap, and where exactly the slower driver loses time and why.

Perhaps someone says, he uses more of the available track, but perhaps its the way he brakes that makes him go faster etc. Or maybe its as simple as changing 4th gear to have a bit higher ratio.

This all without using telemetry. This would be too easy

It happened to me where I knew that after a certain corner there would be a long straight, so i thought its best to go for a late apex. However there was also a climb going onto the straight, that might change how my car handles.When i checked some fast laps from others their racing line looked far from normal, but in the end they where by the end of the straight 0.3 seconds faster.
Was it the climb? Was it that i braked too much, or perhaps i went on the gas to late?

I'm not sure if this is a good way to learn a bit more as to why some people are so fast, but I'm trying at least to find a way. I think the more people would join these discussions the better.

 

[BhZ]

The idea is good, but i wouldn't compare p1 to the last on the grid as the difference will be massive (sometimes even 8 seconds). Any lap slower than 2 seconds from the pole lap will be too slow imho and the reasons why he's been that slow are quite evident. As many say, it's easy to find 4 seconds when the gap is huge, but it's the last second that is very hard to find. So, imho, i'd simply compare the pole lap to a midfield lap if the lap is closer than 2 seconds, otherwise pick a higher position on the grid and compare that.

However there was also a climb going onto the straight, that might change how my car handles.When i checked some fast laps from others their racing line looked far from normal, but in the end they where by the end of the straight 0.3 seconds faster.

I assume this was t4 at brands hatch, correct? The reason is that because of the hill, you don't want to lose too much speed to get a late apex because the acceleration won't be as effective as it would be on a plain straight, so you want to find the right balance between cornering speed and corner exit speed.

 

[TaknMdwN]

The idea is good, but i wouldn't compare p1 to the last on the grid as the difference will be massive (sometimes even 8 seconds). Any lap slower than 2 seconds from the pole lap will be too slow imho and the reasons why he's been that slow are quite evident. As many say, it's easy to find 4 seconds when the gap is huge, but it's the last second that is very hard to find. So, imho, i'd simply compare the pole lap to a midfield lap if the lap is closer than 2 seconds, otherwise pick a higher position on the grid and compare that.



I assume this was t4 at brands hatch, correct? The reason is that because of the hill, you don't want to lose too much speed to get a late apex because the acceleration won't be as effective as it would be on a plain straight, so you want to find the right balance between cornering speed and corner exit speed.

Thanks for the feedback.

You are right yeah the laptimes would be too much apart.

Fast lap then one with +1 sec and one with +2 sec would be better.

I will just try and post a vid tomorrow from last race. As there are some parts in there I don't seem to find out what it is exactly they do to run some corners so fast

 

[BhZ]

Thanks for the feedback.

You are right yeah the laptimes would be too much apart.

Fast lap then one with +1 sec and one with +2 sec would be better.

I will just try and post a vid tomorrow from last race. As there are some parts in there I don't seem to find out what it is exactly they do to run some corners so fast

If it's brands i can provide you one of my laps.

 

[Deleted member 387850]

Funny, Brands Hatch GP is a track I really struggle with! Looking at the sector times I was losing most of my time in Sector 1 and I suspect nearly all that time was lost at Paddock Hill. I think my fastest lap in Practice was 0.6s off the session fastest in S1, and I was dropping a further 0.8s in S3. I ran many, many laps before the race and can lap consistently, but I’m at a loss as to where I should start looking to make improvements.

Is there a way in AC to see the telemetry for other cars in the session? I know you can see your own but it doesn’t seem that useful without something to compare it to! Is it possible for drivers to share their telemetry for comparison sake?

 

[RasmusP]

Sadly no possibility for getting other's telemetry but maybe @BhZ might share his

 

[Andy-R]

I've done it a few times for people in the WHC thread on the official forum. It can make it very obvious where time is lost. This one clearly showed the player was losing a large amount of time at Becketts and out of Stowe compared to my opening WHC lap.

 

[BhZ]

I have the telemetry of brands hatch, lap was 1.23.0...If anyone needs it or wants to compare his driving input with mine.

 

[Trezoitao38]

It is a good thing.

Slow motion is good way to compare. Just trying to see a real time videos side-by-side is not good because we only can focus on camera and them when we want to see the other the driver already made the maneuver.

 

[Andy-R]

Pausing and/or skipping back at various places does the job IMO.

I see people talking about lap times but see no mention of which car from OP or anyone else, have I stumbled into some sort of secret society

 

[Deleted member 387850]

I have the telemetry of brands hatch, lap was 1.23.0...If anyone needs it or wants to compare his driving input with mine.

That would be fantastic @BhZ if you’d be willing to share! I’ve never had the opportunity to compare telemetry before but I’m hoping it will be useful! Best I can manage in practice is high 1:24 with soft tyres and 20c ambient temp, so I’m stuck in that position of being 2 seconds adrift of a really fast lap, which in reality is probably dropping a couple of tenths per corner, but it might as well be an eternity

 

[Deleted member 387850]

I see people talking about lap times but see no mention of which car from OP or anyone else, have I stumbled into some sort of secret society

Haha well pointed out Andy! I think this thread cropped up after the GT3 race at Brands Hatch GP so I assume that’s what we’re talking about. I ended up taking a 650S which I was by far the fastest in over a lap, but apparently struggle to keep pointed in the right direction for 60 minutes

 

[Andy-R]

Edit:

Haha well pointed out Andy! I think this thread cropped up after the GT3 race at Brands Hatch GP so I assume that’s what we’re talking about. I ended up taking a 650S which I was by far the fastest in over a lap, but apparently struggle to keep pointed in the right direction for 60 minutes

Ah ok I'm slightly less freaked out now

 

[BhZ]

I see people talking about lap times but see no mention of which car from OP or anyone else, have I stumbled into some sort of secret society

GT3 at Brands Hatch

That would be fantastic @BhZ if you’d be willing to share! I’ve never had the opportunity to compare telemetry before but I’m hoping it will be useful! Best I can manage in practice is high 1:24 with soft tyres and 20c ambient temp, so I’m stuck in that position of being 2 seconds adrift of a really fast lap, which in reality is probably dropping a couple of tenths per corner, but it might as well be an eternity

The setup i used is not the default of course, but you can see the inputs and see if you are using the throttle and the brakes correctly in the telemetry. Check also the speed, probably you'll notice that in every exit i have some kph more than you, which in the long run make a lot of difference.
https://1drv.ms/f/s!Ai_MuetO90jlhyn2vgWk_8nu3emw
The setup is for the lamborghini gt3, i went for an understeery setup, high coast so that you can trailbrake deeply inside the corner and softer rear suspension to increase the rear grip since the lambo struggles a lot there by default. I didn't test too much with it, if you guys want you can try increasing the coast and reducing the rear wing by 1, hopefully it gets rid of the understeer in the fast corners.

EDIT: I did this lap yesterday in the practice server, so the temperature was 20° and wind was 2kph, so it shouldn't have had that much of an impact on the overall laptime. I also respected RD track limits, otherwise it would have been possible to go faster in 2-3 corners.

 

[RasmusP]

Matteo is my personal telemetry supplier. And an awesome one
If you need my Motec worksheet or however the presets are called just shout! I customized it to improve my driving as #1 priority.
If you want an instruction on how to improve very quickly and how to read the telemetry we can hook up in TS too

 

[Deleted member 387850]

The setup i used is not the default of course, but you can see the inputs and see if you are using the throttle and the brakes correctly in the telemetry. Check also the speed, probably you'll notice that in every exit i have some kph more than you, which in the long run make a lot of difference.

Thanks so much, this is really useful information and I thoroughly appreciate your efforts in sharing your knowledge!

Is there a way to compare telemetry within AC and are the traces of my fastest laps stored anywhere within the AC folder structure? Or do you just use an app like ACTI and MoTeC i2?

 

[BhZ]

do you just use an app like ACTI and MoTeC i2?

Yes, this is the only method. You'll have to install it and do some laps to record your dat, then you can compare them.

 

[RasmusP]

Thanks so much, this is really useful information and I thoroughly appreciate your efforts in sharing your knowledge!

Is there a way to compare telemetry within AC and are the traces of my fastest laps stored anywhere within the AC folder structure? Or do you just use an app like ACTI and MoTeC i2?

IMHO acti + Motec i2 pro is the way to go. I use a little batch file that starts ac, real head motion and acti so I don't bother recording telemetry on purpose. It's just running all the time

 

[Deleted member 387850]

Matteo is my personal telemetry supplier. And an awesome one
If you need my Motec worksheet or however the presets are called just shout! I customized it to improve my driving as #1 priority.
If you want an instruction on how to improve very quickly and how to read the telemetry we can hook up in TS too

That would be awesome Rasmus, I would definitely take you up on that offer if you were willing! I know it all comes down to hard work and practice, but I feel getting some assistance as to what area I need focus on would really, really help!

 

[RasmusP]

That would be awesome Rasmus, I would definitely take you up on that offer if you were willing! I know it all comes down to hard work and practice, but I feel getting some assistance as to what area I need focus on would really, really help!

Cool drop me a pm and we'll find a time for it!