Should DRS be removed from Formula 1?

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What are your thoughts on DRS?


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With two races out of the way, we have experienced the new 2022 regulations and how the cars race. Should the Drag Reduction System (DRS) be removed from Formula 1 or be kept?

The 2022 regulations were a massive overhaul of the car regulations. The 2022 regulations which were originally slated for 2021 but were delayed due to the Covid-19 pandemic and have one major principle to allow cars to race closer.

With previous regulations, a following car would lose 35% of their downforce when racing within 20 metres of the car ahead. That loss of downforce could increase to 47% if the following car got within 10 metres of the car ahead.

The new regulations are meant to reduce the downforce lost and from what we have seen so far, the new regulations appear to work.

So now that we know cars are able to drive closer to each other, should we remove DRS?

Drag Reduction System (DRS) was introduced to F1 in 2011. DRS was implemented as a tool to allow cars to overtake. It is essentially an adjustable rear wing that is operated by the driver. DRS has strict conditions where the racing conditions must be safe and the pursuing car must be within a one second gap of the car in front as it crosses the DRS detection zone.

When it was introduced, it was met with a mixed reaction. Some thought it to be the solution to a lack of overtaking, whilst others thought it made overtaking too easy. Now that we appear to have cars that can drive closer to each other, surely this makes overtaking even easier?

Bahrain 2022​

During the first race of the season, we saw Charles Leclerc and Max Verstappen battling for the lead - before Max had to retire. During this race we appeared to see the immense advantage Max had over Charles along the start/finish straight. At times, Max was just within the one second gap that is required to activate DRS, yet was able to get to T1 first. However, DRS wasn’t quite as powerful as it first appeared here. After the race Charles Leclerc stated that he allowed Max to close the gap along the start/finish straight, so that he had DRS immediately after - which allowed him to hold onto the lead.

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Saudi Arabia 2022​

The second race of the season was at Jeddah and this is where we say a very peculiar thing indeed. Whilst battling for the lead, we saw Charles and Max both hit the brakes hard before entering the DRS detection zone for the start/finish straight. It would appear that whoever entered the final corner first would be at a massive disadvantage and could be easily overtaken. So the result saw both drivers braking heavily, trying to be the second car to enter the final corner. But, this race was more than just the DRS zones, it showed how well these cars can follow each other. Both the Ferrari and Red Bull were able to follow each other closely through most of the lap, which was not so easy in 2021 with the previous F1 regulations.

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Calls for a change to DRS​

Many fans have started to call for a change to the DRS rules and those calls for a change could be amplified further with this week’s race at Albert Park. The Australian GP has an unprecedented 4 DRS zones, one along the main straight, another between turns 2 and 3, the third between turns 8 and 9, and the fourth between turns 10 and 11.

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Here are our thoughts on some potential options for 2022.

Remove DRS completely. If DRS were to be removed completely, then there will be one certainty - less overtaking. DRS is there to help overtaking, so completely removing it will have an impact on the amount of overtakes that are seen during a race. Also, removing DRS will expose how well the F1 2022 regulation cars actually follow each other. There is also the cost to take into account as each team has a budget cap.

If DRS were to be removed, the rear wings may have to keep the DRS function for the remainder of the season. It also may not be as simple as removing the adjustable flap, as these wings will most definitely have been designed to optimise DRS in some way and so may need a complete redesign.
  • Pros - Real overtaking
  • Cons - Less overtaking and potential cost implication
Restrict the use of DRS. The main disadvantage of DRS is that it gives the driver behind an advantage over the driver ahead. However, this could be eradicated if the DRS detection zones were removed and drivers were allowed to use DRS whenever they liked - still with designated DRS zones. This would provide the driver ahead to have a way to defend from an overtaking car. It could also be used by drivers who are attempting to complete an over or undercut, by using DRS to put in a fast lap whilst other drivers are pitting.

The caveat to this is that there would be a limited number of times any one driver could activate DRS during a race.
  • Pros - allows driver ahead to defend and tactical use of DRS
  • Cons - still doesn’t address DRS being potentially overpowered
Leave it as it is. Whilst we are only two races into the season, removing DRS or changing the way it is utilised could be potentially unfair. There were 77 overtakes in Bahrain and 33 overtakes in Saudi Arabia - the majority of these overtakes would have been with the aid of DRS. This means that DRS is already a factor to the amount of points certain drivers have been rewarded and this includes Max Verstappen who may not have won the race at Jeddah without DRS.

Love it or hate it, DRS does provide more opportunities to overtake and without DRS there will be less overtaking. Less overtaking could have an impact on the global audience, especially affecting the audience who have only known F1 with DRS. A result of this could mean an impact on F1 financially - with less fans watching F1 and fewer companies willing to invest in the motorsport.

Finally, leaving DRS as it is allows the FIA to evaluate the entire season and to properly formulate a plan for 2023, if they chose to change DRS in some way in the future.

What are your thoughts about DRS? Should we keep it, change it, or leave it?
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Well i read all that, and i fail to see the point you were trying to make.

First, i never said that Bram's requirements or "wishlist" was my own.

Second, if you are trying to make a case for competitiveness of the 80s vs "modern" F1 (i think the case here is about DRS era F1, so 2011 and beyond), then its a very poor case, because the last decade was maybe the worst ever of a Winner being a foregone conclusion. You had 2012, and 2016 (intra team rivalry), and now 2021. Besides that, Ferrari did good in two years, but despite that, only 3 teams were in the running for wins for 10 years, rendering the fact the rest of the field is closer in terms of laptimes completely irrelevant.

Which brings me neatly to what i already said. Many overtakes and a closer field laptime wise don't mean exciting races or seasons.

So going back to the 80s, We had 1981, 1982 1983, 1984, 1986 all decided in the last race. And various others decided in the penultimate race. We had multiple winners, and yes, even if there were years later in the decade when Senna, Prost, Mansell or Piquet were doing most of the winning, it was still a toss between any of them. And i will place the reduction of winning teams/drivers on the engine manufacturers getting involved, because in the DFV days, smaller teams had a bigger chance. A problem that only got WORSE since then.

The drivers championship being decided in the last round is an interesting point. In the 80s we had less races and fewer points given out, with in many cases the opportunity to discard bad results.

With regards to the DRS I feel the important factor is the ability for the cars to run closely. 14 laps of 2 cars within a second and no overtake is far more exciting than powering up and overtaking inside a lap
 
Current tires last flat out less than 2 laps.
Yes, that is one thing also.. The tires should change other ways too. Go for Hard, Medium and Soft. Remove those damn ultra's etc. Just unnessessary. And all race weekends same compounds, no changing for every GP.
 
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Are you Ignoring Lotus winning many races and leading championships with Senna, and Brabham being twice WDC? You know what, i dont know if you did, but maybe you should watch the races, instead of just looking at the wikipedia page.
The thing is that, as ever, you can say the same about current F1. You would have to ignore Ferrari winning many races and leading championships with Vettel, Red Bull doing the same with Verstappen, for the past five years.The 2012 championship had 7 different drivers winning the first 7 races. Those are hardly "Foregone conclusions". That's my issue here: All the critiques you level at current F1 can be levelled against the 80s and vice versa.
Also claiming Domenicalli is less "corrupt", after stating how Ferrari was in bed with FOM all those years is basically contradicting yourself.
Well, I did say less "Openly" corrupt. Domicelli has thus far not have had to bribe himself out of several corruption court cases though, which I think is a point in favour for him against Bernie :p.

think you want to argue for the sake of arguing. So fine, you have your opinion, you like Modern F1, you think old races are boring, better end this here, and not derail the thread any more.
I never felt like we were arguing? I'll leave it here then.
 
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I guess F1 should ban DRS for one race, so all forums could be flooded with 'please give us back DRS' :)
 
Give me an AXE and 10 minutes, and i'll show you what else to remove of this cars...
 
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I don't know if we have to remove the DRS, or change the rules, or whatever... The only thing I know is that I don't like that booooring overtakes on the straights, from a car with DRS to another on disadvantage. ..
 
I voted for change it in case my "remove it" reaction was "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" but I don't think it was and I don't like that expression anyway. It definitely needs changed after it decided the first two races unsafely and inappropriately. Probably needed removed for Australia already in my opinion.
 
Now look at the 2022 Australian Grand Prix new track layout.
Another link in the chain is added to make overtaking even easier.
So now you have

+ DRS
+ new car design to make overtaking easier
+ changed track designs to make overtaking easier.
+ AAND in addition for the new and much easier Albert Park Circuit - FOUR DRS Zones (through two detection zones)

FIA F1 is apparently trying to maximize the viewer audience (profit optimization) by capturing 8-year-old TikTok users, who demands maximum action every 5 seconds.

So going that tangent, how about some obstacles for the drivers then?
+ H-gear
+ Old manual foot-based clutch
+ 1st gen uncontrollable massive turbo lag
All combined and to be accomodated with by the drivers in combination with the fragile modern MGU-K/MGU-H units
Nice leg braces to separate the sheep from the goats.

I'll take my coat.

But seriously, do not touch Albert Park. I'll continue simracing the old layout
The flow was excellent, and implanted in my spinal cord after 25 years simracing it.
 
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A piece of advice, if you don't know what you are talking about, don't talk about it.

But since this gets thrown around a lot, let me elaborate:

A 2020 F1 had an estimated 6500lbs of downforce at 300Kph. Now this is a lot of course, but we are talking about a car that weights 750kgs. It is estimated that at least 10% or more of this was lost last year with the rule changes, and hasnt been clawed back since.

A 1980 F1 had around 5500lbs at the same speed. And sure, this is maybe a litle bit less in absolute terms, but this car weighted 500 kgs, and was considerably shorter, and overall efficiency (L/D) was the same, or even better than current cars.

For comparison sake, the Toyota Eagle mkIII GTP car from 1992 could reach 7500lbs of downforce, with MORE efficiency, in a car that weighted as much as a modern F1 car.

Also, even after ground effects were banned in F1, the downforce was clawed back by bolting massive wings, and using the massive power of the turbo engines to overcome the drag.
Yeah okay now give me some sources please
 
Probably don't need it now.
On the other hand, a button to hop over the car in front would help - as the cars are collossal :thumbsup:
 
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So going that tangent, how about some obstacles for the drivers then?
+ H-gear
+ Old manual foot-based clutch
+ 1st gen uncontrollable massive turbo lag
All combined and to be accomodated with by the drivers in combination with the fragile modern MGU-K/MGU-H units
i would really love to see that. or even drive it. :)
 
Do your own work and look it up, search online, talk with people who know, buy books like i did, etc. I have nothing to prove to you, so if you dont believe it, that's your problem.
Yeah well I did and the numbers I found don't really match up with yours, if you are stating that many numbers I would have presumed you actually have a source...

They might have produced similar peak downforce numbers, but most definitely not with equal performance (or even better as you said...)
 
Yeah well I did and the numbers I found don't really match up with yours, if you are stating that many numbers I would have presumed you actually have a source...

They might have produced similar peak downforce numbers, but most definitely not with equal performance (or even better as you said...)



Just one example of numbers that any F1 can dream.

As for the old ground effect F1s, they had efficiencies of above 3:1, in best case scenarios even 4:1.

Roughly the same as the modern ones. This is easy to understand because the old F1s had no regulated sizes for the tunnels. So they could be as big as they could make them work.
 
I stopped watching F1 since 2019 because the racers are boring, artificial and predictable for me, to put it short.

In my humble opinion, Formula one is changing and a new generation of fans are coming. Those new generation of fans will decide what they want. DRS adds to the spectacle for them and formula one drivers want them, so DRS must stay for now. In terms of tracks, maybe in the future circuits like Spa or Suzuka will disappear from the calendar and will be replaced by street circuits as long as the new fans perceives them as spectacular (scenario and race alike). And will be better suited for races with DRS.

The priority for Formula 1 in this regards should be bring racetracks where the people are, just like Formula E. Thanks to that races will be more accesible and the spectacle should be more appreciated.
 
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I stopped watching F1 since 2019 because the racers are boring, artificial and predictable for me, to put it short.

In my humble opinion, Formula one is changing and a new generation of fans are coming. Those new generation of fans will decide what they want. DRS adds to the spectacle for them and formula one drivers want them, so DRS must stay for now. In terms of tracks, maybe in the future circuits like Spa or Suzuka will disappear from the calendar and will be replaced by street circuits as long as the new fans perceives them as spectacular (scenario and race alike). And will be better suited for races with DRS.

The priority for Formula 1 in this regards should be bring racetracks where the people are, just like Formula E. Thanks to that races will be more accesible and the spectacle should be more appreciated.
CART tried that back when the IRL split from Champcar(USA Indy style cars) CART had one City race prior to the split and then it seemed like about half the calendar became street races. Most of these temp tracks had some sort of safety issues that required artificial chicanes created during the weekend. One track had a railroad crossing that launched the Champcars. In the end, all those street circuits did not save CART.
 
DRS is a cancer in motorsport. It's true that today's cars have a lot of drag and generate turbulence, but why not decide to make cars cleaner?

In motorsport, there are attack and defense maneuvers, but after the 2000s, on behalf of the audience, they began to think that they can no longer defend their position in motorsport, the fastest must obligatorily overtake and this concept is wrong.

These new Nutella fans who think that everything has to be easy, I'd much rather see a slower driver defending his arm position, at all costs and within the rules than seeing one car activating the DRS and passing the other without a fight. , in the middle of a straight, what's the point of overtaking with DRS?
 

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