Simplicity SW20 V3 settings

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yo anyone usin tis wheel? i wanted to share my saetings i think it best yo can get. also post yo setting maybe we can help each other. but i think ma settings best, i drive daily many cars an i tell yo tis best settings most realistic. easy to drift, wheel catches countersteer itself, easy to catch slide, easy to straighten wheel after drift, at speed above 60 kph yo must feel wheel straighten but if drift below 50 kph yo can just let off throttle an car streighten itself.
yo have wheel rotation of course its as yo choose, i choosen 1170 cause my bmw have like that
torque max cause no clippin then
details boost cause its canned effects
max speed 200 cause wheel countersteer an straighten fast
weight 3 % cause wheel as aove countersteer an straighten fast, but then yo have more oscillation, it works as damping, if yo turn it up yo have more damping, less oscillation but wheel not countersteer as fast as it should
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then yo have mode 9 cause its the smoothest feel like real car not shopping cart without suspension
then again yo have bandwidth at 0,3 cause its softer response an wheel doesnt try to spin off yo hands, cause cars have suspension again yo feel soft forces, but if its slip yo feel good side force
weighted center i think is personal an have it set to off cause its canned effect like wheel feels heavier at center no matter sim, an i like sim decide how center heavy is.
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share yo settings if yo have tis thing, also i post my telemetry to show i get no clippin wit tis settings, cause i have in all sims set gain to 50 so i got like 10 nm but yo can see it still goes above at 15 nm an sometimes more when drivin LMPs
share yo settings we can compare an help each others, but i think ma settings best
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i was drivin LMP porsche 919 at nordschleife today an it go like 20,58 NM an it showed me clippin like 0,1 % and i was drivin nearly hour without pause to make best lap
 
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Didnt make any legal as i was cuttin track or crashin but best red time was around 5:54 an it was my first ride tis car at tis track
 
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i wanted to chek my self cause i saw tis video , but guy driving evo version so its faster than AC version, and i was drivin touristenfahren server co track may be little shorter as yo have start after pit exit, an finish before pit entry, but guy made 5:19 an i in sim at shorter track made 5:54 amazin how those guy drive, not to mentin he stand g forces an risk crashin and dead, an im sittin in my room not risk of injury an still cans make faster lap xD
 
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foc me as i said before i made around 5:54 at touristenahfren, now i checked full nordschleife an made 6:15 but i still need much practise, also i drivin safe cause dont want to make too much noise an to get off track, i made full legal lap 6:15, post telemetry i clippin only 0,07% wit tis car it go only to 19,87 nm i made 2 laps. but i changed my settings, moved mode slider to 0 as i feel it more responsive, maybe 9 is too soft, i post telemetry
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also thanks for the mod, just downloading it. is evo version much faster than 2016 in AC? im curious hows i make lap wit it tomorrow :>
 
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Well i changed my settings again today. i was wrong, settin bandwidth at 0,3 indeed make cars feel like real cars due to more rubber like wheel behavior at slower speeds, but at higher speeds and fast wheel movement cars not feel connected as should be. i aslo noticed my wheel vibrates at max bandwith set at 1, but its not the wheel failure but my cheap SRC buttonplate as i was using only rim about 2 weeks at default bandwidth of 0,5 then my button plate came an i noticed vibrations and noise straight away after mounting ting together. so i lowered bandwidth to get rid of vibration and noise and it worked, also i thought its better cause wheel feel more rubber-like. But something was wrong, i noticed i drive good as before as i gettin ussed to my settings i make. but today i changed banwidth at full, also lowered mode from 9 to 0, as software tell mode at 9 is smoothest, and mode at 0 is more reactive. i wanted wheel smooth, but clearly seems, especially in AC that mode 9 is much noisest especially when drifting, an only difference i could feel mode at 9 again i feel like i drive good cause im used to my settings, but setting bandwidth at max and mode at 0 now i feel like car drives itself, i mean im turnin an wheel like holding its forces to go slightly turned, before when turning i felt like its too soft or i judging only by what i see. now i feel like wheel tellin me more what front wheels doin, dont know how to tell it, like wheel follows front wheels in sim by some trail. Its much noiser of course, but only when goin on kerbs or countersteering fast, it make so loud noise like metal parts collide, but its not noticeable when i turn up my speakers during day, but at night i should not play cause of it.
i post my current settings, an i feel like ill stay wit tis more than i felt like im stayed wit previous last time.
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main settings stay the same its perfect for my buttoplate and rim weight at 3%, torque max and speed max, but what i changed is banwidth now at max and mode at 0 to wheel be more responsive than smoother, i also read someting abous sim commander settings an i tell like tey have "bandwith limit" setting an it just clippin high forces but it shall be turned off, by lowering bandwith i think i put limiter on my wheel so it was hard to feel car good at fast speeds and slight turns.
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What i changed also in all my sims, as i put banwidth to max i not need to use gain 50% anymore to get 10 nm of wheel, now i set 40% in all my sims to get just 8nm and it feels much better 8 nm at max banwidth than 10 nm at 0,3 bandwidth. but even 8 nm set it still go like i post below to 15,68 nm wit porsh 919 at nordschleife xD and last session 14,51 nm is project cars 2 formula renaul 3,5 online at hockenheimring
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shortly telling i may be wrong but i think by setting bandwidth at 0,3 yo get only 30% information from the wheel where your sim wheels are positioned. and at 1 yo get 100% information. so 0,3 may be some delayed, just partial info abous your sim wheels where they are positioned an yo real life steering wheel ising only 30% info is delayed and not so precise, so it may be feel smoother. but when setting at 1 yo get 100% info where yo sim wheels are positioned, then lowering gain yo get that smoothness from sim software, not from wheel hardware
 
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Hello, i dont have fb, if yo want yo can add my settings, my ingame in ACC are 40% gain and rest to 0%, and freq 333Hz
 
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OK thanks, will look if i feel these current are not perfect. I tested them yestarday an i looks best i had, especially better in AMS2 than i had before when bandwiths at 0,3 it was too much deadzone in AMS2, now deadzone much less with bandwidth at 1 and with lowering gain from 50% at bandwith 0,3 , to 40% at bandwith 1,0 i feel more nuanse forces but wheel is not so hard and skippy as before at higher gain 50%
so my current settings are as my last post, and in all my sims im usin only gain at 40% and rest all set to 0%, like road feels, slips, abs, fx in AMS2, even dynamic damping in ACC set to 0% as i think weight 3% in wheel settings is already dampening. But it i leave to further testing as road, slip and abs feels in AC i think i may put them to +/- 5% at time. also im usin no gyro effect in AC as its damping force. in all my sims i use no damping
 
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i was wrong setting all the way at max, now after using wheel for almost half year i found perfect settings and can provide explanation to each setting what it do
mine current settings are
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-rotation 1180 cause AC support max this rotation
-end stops 100% cause it uses 100% available torque then to stop wheel to spinning above 1180 rotation
-torque i set default out of box at 15 nm again, cause when i set 20 nm i must set gain of 30% in games to have 6 nm initial resistance, (as real cars have 4,5-6,5 nm resistance), but when going over big kerbs or radillon at spa this force go above 15 nm. now with lowered max torque to 15 i can use higher gain of 40% to still have 6 nm torque so i may have little more precise wheel, but at radillon at spa this force no more goes above 15 nm and clipping still never occurs.
-details boost at 0 cause even 1 make wheel weird twitchy
-max speed i lowered to default of 150 rpm cause now i saw what it do, if i had set at 200 wheel was faster but also lighter, to get rid of lighness i must put giher gain to make wheel harder but then forces was too strong and too fast.
now with rpm set to 150 wheel is still fast as in real car even with lower max nm, but it is even harder to turn at lower speeds, most realistic feel i had.
-weight at 1,5 % cause when i had at 3% it puts weight on my wheel working as damper, and to make wheel faster i must increase max nm and gain, but then i have stronger weird forces affecting wheel. with weight at 1,5 % i have wheel lighter, then i decreased rpm to 150 to have wheel harder, but these two settings work differently as weight put damping to wheel like it had 1,5 % additional weight, and rpms is just lowering max speed of wheel spinning. yo must find balance between.
advanced tab i have
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its simplier cause
-mode i have at 0 as its more reactive, yo feel every slight wheel geometry change better. as setting of 9 is meant to be smoother that mean some stronger forces are dampended
-bandwith at max of 1 as then i have max refreshing rate or something, wheel feels stiffer
-and both weighted center range and gain at 0 as its canned effect just putting damper on center of your wheel so it may be harder to turn on center. i disabled it as i want have all feedback from sim physics but also at fast chicaned when yo turning right, left, right fast yo can feel unrealistic center then, also as in real car you going downhill and road is little tilted to right yo wheel shall go 1-2cm to right, and with my current settings it go like that, but with weighted center that forces tilting yo wheel 1-2 cm to right would be ignored and no matted road is tilted in sim yo wheel always go straight to center with tis setting
 
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i found key setting is max speed and you shall never set it to 200. value of 200 makes wheel fastest in response but also too light and too oscillating when you take fast chicane then go straight you must remember youself how to straighten wheel cause it wants to go all sides very fast, with setting of 130 , but it shall be personal preference. once you takes chicane and go straight wheel feels better at the center and yo just know where center is and it not oscillating very fast left and right. It also puts initial resistance to turn wheel both sides no matter if yo go drift to righ and yo wheel centers left, at setting of 200 if you drift right and wheel counters to left if you try to turn wheel right mid drift yo feel no resistance and its not realistic. with setting of 130 even when you drift right and wheel centers left you can turn rigght mid drift and yo feel like its actual steering shaft and steering wheel constantly connected to front wheels (even AC and ACC not simulates steering shaft as AMS2 and raceroom does) thats why in ACC they introduced dynamic dampening and in AC gyro effect. with setting of 130 you can now disable boths.
default value of 150 is good but i found it even better at 130, wheel feels alive even at lowest speeds and i feel resistance always like it would be actual car and steering shaft, most realistic feel i had. i found value of 100 even better at lowest speeds just when i take off, and i could not tell its sim not real car, but it was problem when countersteering then , i mean when drifting mostly as wheel not countersteered as fast as it should. then i tested value of 120 and it was pretty good but when heavy drifting , for example making drift from right to left very fast wheel makes metal noises as it wanted to turn faster but something like metal tongs would not allow it to spin that fast. wit value 130 there is not noise, and even drifting is much better now as i tell i disabled gyro in AC, dynamic damping in ACC and wheel not oscillating.
with reducing max speed and thus reducing oscillations now im able to lower wheel weight frm 1,5 % to 1% and feel understeer better, as i previously used 3% i tell you i was unable to feel understeer in any sim xD so i dont know why its set to 5% by default xD
i have also changed max force to 13 nm as forces at eau rogue was just too strong and felt unrealistic too. wit max force of 15 nm i set 50% gain so i had 7,5 nm initial force but at eau rogue it go to 13 nm. now i have 13 nm max force and gain at 60, i have stronger initial feel 7,8 nm but at eau rogue it go to 10,2 nm in all sims.
now i using wheel for more than half year i can post my current settings and provide explanation to each setting
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1. rotation is of course max rotation and i use 1180 cause my real car has it and AC supports its max at 1180 so maybe there are some cars that use 1180 degrees
2. end stop at max cause wheel then uses full force to stop you from goin above 1180 degrees
3. it shall be set as yo want max force to be to not grapple wit yo wheel under heavy cornering which will just slow you down, even real cars have peak forces at 8 nm cause all have power steering. then yo shall set gain % to desired force of which you set max in driver thats 60% for me as i have 13 nm max in wheel then 60% gain in sim = 7,8 nm initial force in all my sims, btw i saw real cars even open wheelers without power steering have 4,5 - 6,5 nm resistance when cornering, but guess in sims we want more to feel car better as no real g forces affects us.
4. detail boost at 0 cause wheel vibrates weird even at 1%
5. max speed as i post above it gives initial resistance even at lowest speeds, to all sides as in real car when im goin 10-20 km/h i turn right then left i still must use little strength to turn wheel left even if in real car caster is already centering wheel but i still must use strengts to center it faster, wit settings of 130 i have it just like in real car and i remember with setting of 200 wheel was centering faster and i could center it faster with my littlest finger and it felt like it was no connection between sim steering wheel and sim front wheels, wheel was just dead at lowest speeds. but also it was too light at the center at faster speeds thats why i was comparing driving in sims to driving on horse cause there was no feeling of steering shaft. this setting if lower it makes you feel actual steering shaft in car, but too low wheel not countersteers fast enought, at setting of 200 wheel countersteers fastest it can but then its completely loose like it was no steering shaft and steering wheel disconnected from front wheels, i think its key setting for realism.
6. weight if at 0 wheel completely disconnected even when standing still yo just touch it and it oscillating all way like crazy, when set too high its too strong to turn it, too much resistance, wheel is dampened and not counterstee fast enought, i found even if its set too high yo cant feel understeer cause if you go into understeer and ffb in sim decreases if you have weight % too high yo would not tell difference ffb decreased cause its dampened already and is too high resistance to turn wheel. it works similar to max speed but max speed but its different thing
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7. mode, i not found it affects wheel that much, i feel like at 0 yo feel slight bumps better and yo can feel slide faster, and at 9 bumps are somehow absorbed by suspension or something. i think value of 9 may be more realistic but i prefer setting 0
8. bandwidth, explanation from simplicity is lower value softening and higher values stiffening response and i agree, i set to max cause wheel is stiffer now and i can feel steering rack better, but i have my own explanation: like better connection steering wheel to front wheels. what i found this setting does mostly is in AMS2 as yo have steering rack simulation there and under heavy cornering for example at eau rogue at spa its most feeled: when you turning left you feel good stiff connection then yo turning right very fast and yo feel strong resistance to turn wheel, wheel is so stiff and yo can feel how yo formula 3 chassis touches ground there and yo feel it on wheel like steering rack is there always connected and you front wheels want to center and yo want it to turn right. so realistic feel, and i found at lower values its like softer, like steering wheel disconnects from steering rack a little to be a little easier on you and lower the setting the more it disconnects to weaken those strong forces. like at lower bandwidth value it will disconnect more so you can turn wheel easier then steering rack will connect again when you safe at straight line when forces are not so strong. but thing is i found lower values feel better when losing grip, i mean when understeering mostly. cause with max value understeer feel is brutal like yo have grip turning wheel then you not have grip and wheel cut ffb and you turn even more than you should, and at lower values yo feel like transition of forces it not cuts force that brutal but you feel some rubber-like feeling like front wheel tyres are of rubber and you feel that rubber not sticks to road anymore and you feel better decreasing of grip lost and not sudden grip loss thats how i would describe it. again i think it shall be personal preference. i still think i may lower that value some day.
9. weighted center of course at 0, max speed is setting which gives you weighted not only center but whole wheel
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these are my telemtry as yo see no clipping, max force at 10,2 nm last session it was AMS2 formula 3 at spa and even forces on steering wheel was very strong at eau rogue it did not go above 10,2 nm cause it felt like there was steering rack that not allow it to peak at 13 nm cause it was like steering wheel was clinched to steering rack and front wheels , very linear response with this settings
 
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no today after couple of multiplayer sesssions in ACC i decided to increase max speed to 150, i can feel car better when cornering and i noticed i gain like 1 second wit tis setting. i would use even 200 then i feel car even better but all sims ffb is wrong in general (exept AMS2) as wheel is too lose like disconnected from steerng shaft, but it has nothing to do wit wheel software its sim ffb wrong made like horse riding i mentioned earlier. i would even set it to 200 i feel car even better then when cornering but then wheel too loose at center and i want to keep it at 150 which feels more real car-like for my casuels i show my rig from time to time, but then yo hae more real car-like feeling but then again yo not feel car so good as yo would sit in real car so thats why bigger values may be better to feel car good and slight changes in geometry
 
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also by increasing max speed to 150 i decided to set dynamic damper in ACC to 100 and gyro effect in AC back to 1 again, this settings i think will serve me for long time until i decide again its someting to tweak again xd
 
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now i increased max force to 160 to feel car better at turns, also increased mode to 9 cause now i know what it do. it smothens wheel so yo feel like its steering rack always there also works as suspension to dampen stronger forces and smoothens side forces so its better to catch slide for me now as wheel looks more linear. it also get rid of that deadzone feeling i had at spa after long straight after eau rogue when there was chicane fast right then left. previously after turning right i had deadzone in ACC and i was panically looking for center woobling wheel left and right, now as its smoothened i feel like i always feel center, maybe its more placebo effect as it puts a little vibration to turning wheel all sides, but it works for me. it also puts little vibrations when standing still so i feel it as i sittin in real car turnin wheel and tyres graining asphalt, like its actual steering rack in car and i feel slight vibrations from tyres when turning wheel always.
these would be my final settings and i see now i not make huge changes from default settings
-torque default was 15 , i put to 13 to have not grapple wit my wheel when fast cornering and put higher gain in all sims
-max speed default was 150 i put 160 to better feel slight wheel geometry changes when fast cornering and also better feel understeer
-weight was 5% by default i still dont know why that high cause it makes wheel dead, i put to 1% so this 1% just stops wheel from free rotating even at standing still, also understeer feels better if lower
-mode dafault was 7 i put to 9 to have more smoothing, it calms wheel so yo need to be calm and calmly catch slides just as in real car, at mode 0 i was exagerrating catching slides as when i catch slide i not feel center so i didnt know i actually catched slide. also i tested drifting in AC with mode 0 and at mode 9 and i noticed at mode 9 i can be more relaxed when drifting and car listens to me better, its feels more intuitive to drift as i drift in real life
-bandwidth default was at 0,5 i guess its for newbies to wheel not rip their arms in F3 in AMS2 xD i put to full 1,0 to have wheel always connected to feel steering rack good when fast cornering
these are my final settings after using wheel for more than half year, now i must make week pause and go back to sim to tell if it still feels natural for me or somethings wrong still xd
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i was a little wrong with my understanding of settings i posted. now after owning and testing much different settings with this wheel for abous 8 months i finally understand what each setting do. these would be my final settings and i pretty sure now what each slider does. the most important are 3 or 4 sliders IMO
torque slider just prevents force to be bigger than 13 nm as i set, so instead of using max wheel force 20 nm and lowering gain in sim to 40% to have 8nm force, i decided to make max 13 nm in wheel and increase gain to 60% in all my sims to still hasve 7,8 nm but now during heavy corners it not go to 15 nm force, wchich is just too strong IMO, but it goes to 10,4 nm which feels pretty realistic..
second importand slider is "max speed" and now i understand it as forces from both virtual front wheels affecting your physical steering wheel, now i set it to max 200 rpm as those forces are not limited by anything as it should be. i was right tho that it work as steering rack, so when lower value you feel those strong forces as come dampened throug your steering rack , but decided to put it at max cause next important setting also works as steering rack.
and thats wheel weight, i decided to put it at 2 % as now i have front wheels forces from "max speed" slider at max, and those are dampened by weight at 2%, games feels better now.
with max speed slider at max you can better feel road surface and slight vibrations on wheel better, and wheel weight still dampening too strong forces that yo would not feel through steering rack in a real car.
last important setting is bandwith i put it at max as i think it then uses 100% wheel refreshing rate, so i have wheel stiff and feel steering rack beter
so simply telling, torque i have at 13 nm not to have too strong forces during heavy cornering, then i increase gain in game to have satisfying wheel resistance
max speed at max 200 rpm to have all forces from front wheels transferred to steering wheel and feel all better
weight at 2% to dampen those forces from front wheels but not to dampen them too much
these are my dinal settings, it feels most universal for all my sims those are AC, ACC, AMS2, pCARS2, RRRE and beam.ng.
with these setting i can tell BMW m3 e30 in AC drives very similar to my real car BMW e36
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So.. finally you set mode to 0? this is what I always heard about this wheelbase so... can you say that this time is your final choice? (haha)

I set it up yeaterdey for a quick test with standard values and it felt good but... like waaaay to smooth (I think it was mode at 7)

I really apreciate all the work u have put in this bruh. Any xhance that you can try this on iRacing? I will trust your config in this sim much more than I would trust my own feeling haha.
 
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