WRC 23 or DiRT Rally 3.0? Who cares? It's Coming in Spring, Maybe!

gamma123152 · Dec 23, 2022

Zolazem said:
I have also VR but i also can enjoy my Sims without VR. The SIMS with VR implementation I play without VR half of the time.

That's up to you. Many simracers that have VR can't since most VR enthusiasts don't have screens installed on their rig or simply enjoy it much less because of the loss of immersion. For me going back to screens is almost the same as going back from wheels+pedals to a controller. It's possible of course technically if you still have a screen on your rig(I have a 100 inch 4k screen at my sim rig location), but then I rather skip the title.

Lennart Groessl · Dec 23, 2022

roadyroad said:
some have been improving the game for years.

forum.rallyesim.fr - Page d’index

forum.rallyesim.fr

Rallysimfans.hu - rallysimfans.hu plugin

RBRPro

State-of-the-art of rally simulation

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I've just installed rallysimfans few days ago and it is impressive.
I've used RSRBR few years ago, you had to configure your car/track combo in the launcher and launch the game ; to change the combo, you had to exit the game. The installation process is quiet long, manual.
Rallysimfans is really easy to install and to use, you select your car/track combo ingame, as a regular game.
RBR Pro is said to be complex to set up and the physics are not developped anymore.

The graphics were and still have something amazingly realistic, the tones are perfect and the level of details is outstanding. No overdone post process effects which kills the immersion in many modern titles.

The main thing with RBRPro is that its run by a powerhungry man that twists everything people say to fit his needs and want donations for his Plugin that is made up of stolen content that in most cases explicitly says to not be used by RBRPro.

Pro never made their own physics or cars, nor did any other Plugin that uses NGP.
Physics are all done by the one-man show WorkerBee, he's the one that reverse engineered RBR to make NGP back in the day.

Lennart Groessl · Dec 23, 2022

RaceNut said:
RBR mods are interesting but, using them means giving up my motion effects. Not a tradeoff I'm willing to make.

You can use motion rigs with any plugin using NGP, I highly recommend checking out RallySimFans.
They got a very active and helpful discord as well for any issues you might have.

TeddyBearx · Dec 23, 2022

it's a Dirt rally thread, I don't understand why it's not moderated to remove offtopic.

turbo86 · Dec 23, 2022

Peter Kerényi said:
People crapping on EA for annual releases while Kylotonn also had annual releases with minimum improvements.

Improvements? You wish. The only improvements i noticed between all the KT WRC titles is between WRC7 and WRC8.

WRC8 had better diff function, better handbrake, better cameras. That's it. Tracks are the same and even physics are the same but feel worse because of the fake BALLOON tires, which they used in WRC9, 10 and Gen as well. Same exact models. It's ridiculous. Everything else of course is a downgrade or the same. Graphics and physics are a downgrade.

At least F1 titles did improve over the years. They might not be the F1 ultrasim everybody wants, but there is improvement.

turbo86 · Dec 23, 2022

TeddyBearx said:
it's a Dirt rally thread, I don't understand why it's not moderated to remove offtopic.

Because EA and Codemasters haters can't stop hating. Even if it was a thread about cooking, they would still say how bad EA and Codemasters are. Mainly EA. Even if they don't know exactly WHY. They're just jumping on the hate bandwagon because they think it makes them look smart or something. And of course the fanboys simply can't get over the fact that KT's WRC games were mediocre, at best and MUST debate and argue about it over and over and over.

gamma123152 · Dec 23, 2022

turbo86 said:
Because EA and Codemasters haters can't stop hating. Even if it was a thread about cooking, they would still say how bad EA and Codemasters are. Mainly EA. Even if they don't know exactly WHY. They're just jumping on the hate bandwagon because they think it makes them look smart or something. And of course the fanboys simply can't get over the fact that KT's WRC games were mediocre, at best and MUST debate and argue about it over and over and over.

EA's F1 22 VR implementation is the most terrible of all sims, it's simply unusable because of the jittery head movement. It only works if you don't move your head, otherwise it jitters. Of course many sim racers that waited for this for years are irritated by it massively especially because of the communication of EA, they simply IGNORE all comments about this subject on their forum. Hundreds and hundreds of comments about it, zero feedback on this from EA. A good developer/company would at least have given some feedback about it to their buyers but they simply chose to ignore them. So communication is one of the reasons that people hate EA. Second thing is that they quite often ruined franchises in the past, more recent example is Battlefield. It was great before and now there is nothing left of it. Then there is project cars, I was never a fan of project cars one or two but I had hopes that they would have gotten rid of the strange driving behaviour in PC3; but what did they do? They ruined the whole franchise again! They made an arcade game of it instead of improving the title and they did it so bad that they now cancelled all PC games. So yes of course people are now afraid that the same thing will happen to Dirt Rally/WRC 23; more arcade, more woke, aimed at kids audience, terrible vr support as with F1 22 or nothing at all. etc.etc. The worries that you read online are all based on historical behaviour of EA. There are as I described many reasons to be worried.

DRDNA333 · Dec 23, 2022

if Codies use their game engine that the rest of their series used then it will be a "center pivot only car physics" which is and feels fake as hell and no amount of filtered sounds can fix that! if they use unreal or madness it will at least have a chance.

TeddyBearx · Dec 23, 2022

turbo86 said:
Because EA and Codemasters haters can't stop hating. Even if it was a thread about cooking, they would still say how bad EA and Codemasters are. Mainly EA. Even if they don't know exactly WHY. They're just jumping on the hate bandwagon because they think it makes them look smart or something. And of course the fanboys simply can't get over the fact that KT's WRC games were mediocre, at best and MUST debate and argue about it over and over and over.

KT games were bad, DR 2.0 is awesome.
I agree, we can be friend.

gamma123152 · Dec 23, 2022

TeddyBearx said:
KT games were bad, DR 2.0 is awesome.
I agree, we can be friend.

This is also true. DR2 is in my top 3 best race sims/games of all time. I think that Codemasters is great, but now that EA is there we have to hope that not everything has been changed. With project cars everything was changed in the bad way since EA took over. So we'll see.

gamma123152 · Dec 23, 2022

Mitja Bonca said:
Who cares about both, RBR is STILL the king... unfortunatelly.

testdriver77 said:
So please stay on that . For me its dead meanwhile.

Maybe for you. RBR was several years ago good but meanwhile its an old piece.
The community mods keep it alive but it do not change the fact that it looks and sounds like an old game. Thats all.
And yes ive tested it 2 months ago and after 1h uninstalled it.
So i prefer DR2. All Wrc titles from KT are crap.

I do not have big expectations to Wrc23 (DR3?) so there is no disappointment then....

Fully agree. Many old games from the past were great for that time. But I have a 4090 now and I am used to the graphics, sounds, motion, ffb, vr quality of AMS2/DR2/ACC. So RBR just feels outdated, it's that simple. DR2 isn't outdated yet and is still great so if WRC23 isn't good then we still have DR2. Kt's WRC has no VR so yes to me it doesn't even exist.

roadyroad · Dec 23, 2022

Majuh said:
I guess they can't announce it yet since their license period hasn't actually begun yet.

I have doubts about that. Both licencer and licensee ate interested in the success of the game, they would not make a deal without a prelaunch communication window. That would be a rookie mistake. Although nothing suprises me nowadays....

roadyroad · Dec 23, 2022

RaceNut said:
I have a D-box system but, it won't work with RBR mods. It's down to D-box to solve it but, they say there is not enough demand to make it worth-while.

I also play DR2 & WRC sometimes but, the ffb in DR2 is a major deterrent for me. May be the only title I've ever Rage-uninstalled!

This D-box system must be a game changer, once ypu get it, it mus be hard to race without it. It is like when wheels didn't have any FFB, you can't go there anymore even if it was sufficient in the past

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roadyroad · Dec 23, 2022

Lennart Groessl said:
The main thing with RBRPro is that its run by a powerhungry man that twists everything people say to fit his needs and want donations for his Plugin that is made up of stolen content that in most cases explicitly says to not be used by RBRPro.

Pro never made their own physics or cars, nor did any other Plugin that uses NGP.
Physics are all done by the one-man show WorkerBee, he's the one that reverse engineered RBR to make NGP back in the day.

So I'm going to edit my post, thank you for this piece of information.

roadyroad · Dec 23, 2022

testdriver77 said:
Little bit ironic.... when a pad works better than a wheel.
The menu looks like it was made from beginning for consoles....
But its ok, it has its own fans...
Unfortunately ive wasted some money on wrc but for the future i know 100% that i will never buy an game from Kytloton.

I must admit, Im quiet hyped by their Test Drive game

. This time they have the time tonpolish their game, no excuse for a buggy mess launch...

pitkin · Dec 23, 2022

turbo86 said:
Because EA and Codemasters haters can't stop hating. Even if it was a thread about cooking, they would still say how bad EA and Codemasters are. Mainly EA. Even if they don't know exactly WHY. They're just jumping on the hate bandwagon because they think it makes them look smart or something. And of course the fanboys simply can't get over the fact that KT's WRC games were mediocre, at best and MUST debate and argue about it over and over and over.

EA / Codemasters happily lie to get sales. They get their shills on youtube to tell us VR is amazing in F1 22, yet when we get the thing, it's diabolical. Poor performance, crashing and freezing still persist several patches later. It's like the influencers were playing a totally a different game to what we got. If EA/ Codemasters want to employ shady sales tactics, they can have the criticism that comes as a consequence.

RaceNut · Dec 23, 2022

roadyroad said:
This D-box system must be a game changer, once ypu get it, it mus be hard to race without it. It is like when wheels didn't have any FFB, you can't go there anymore even if it was sufficient in the past .

Yeah, it's like that. But then, ffb's role varies per person, too. FFB is a big deal for me, one of main reasons I get so frustrated with DR2. DR2 does motion effects pretty well though.

If DR2 physics are sound, why isn't the ffb more dynamic? It makes no sense, especially in regard to tarmac dynamics. I once had a conversation with a CM DR2 dev that admitted they didn't understand what players want by way of ffb, and that (sadly) remains obvious to this day.

The WRC series lacks convincing motion effects but, actually offers a bit more (than DR2) in ffb detail, which seems counterintuitive, considering overall physics at work. Still, both titles ffb is very basic at best. Compare either title to ffb in PC2 / AMS1 / iRacing (Tarmac & offroad), and the differences in ffb become clearer.

Zolazem · Dec 23, 2022

gamma123152 said:
That's up to you. Many simracers that have VR can't since most VR enthusiasts don't have screens installed on their rig or simply enjoy it much less because of the loss of immersion. For me going back to screens is almost the same as going back from wheels+pedals to a controller. It's possible of course technically if you still have a screen on your rig(I have a 100 inch 4k screen at my sim rig location), but then I rather skip the title.

Yes it’s personal thing, everyone has to do what he/she feels good with.

testdriver77 · Dec 23, 2022

roadyroad said:
I must admit, Im quiet hyped by their Test Drive game . This time they have the time tonpolish their game, no excuse for a buggy mess launch...

Oh no.... i am not hyped not even 1%. The only more or less game from Kyloton (which i own) is TT Isle of Man 1 and 2. Its not a real accurate game and has also not the best physics but as a whole package is ok. Its funny to smash the laps on TT.

Basically Kylotonn & Nacon as combo is a joke. Thats the truth. They released so many litrations of ther game and there is no real evolution. Just copy & paste.
Lot of promises but zero reaction to solve problems.
Generations is probably the same as far i saw lot of videos on YT.
Burnt my fingers two times and its enough.

Test Drive i guess will be a mess and i have more trust in Forza titles than in Test Drive.

TeddyBearx · Dec 23, 2022

testdriver77 said:
Oh no.... i am not hyped not even 1%. The only more or less game from Kyloton (which i own) is TT Isle of Man 1 and 2. Its not a real accurate game and has also not the best physics but as a whole package is ok. Its funny to smash the laps on TT.

Basically Kylotonn & Nacon as combo is a joke. Thats the truth. They released so many litrations of ther game and there is no real evolution. Just copy & paste.
Lot of promises but zero reaction to solve problems.
Generations is probably the same as far i saw lot of videos on YT.
Burnt my fingers two times and its enough.

Test Drive i guess will be a mess and i have more trust in Forza titles than in Test Drive.

TT 3 will come and it will not made by KT but by RIMS devs, and sadly, a big sadly, it will use the KT 3D engine, the worst of the world.

About TEST DRIVE by KT, a big fail, compared to FH5, without any debate possible.

WRC 23 or DiRT Rally 3.0? Who cares? It's Coming in Spring, Maybe!

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