I have edited it so often and put down so much time so I'll post it again here, it is the same as my previous post above:
It's not about if it was 100 kph or 300 kph. Maybe Nico just used this exaggeration to express that you allways come fast around a corner with a F1 so it's hard to avoid a stationary car.
Acctually Nico was mistaken, for some reason he was thinking it happened in the exit of the first or second chicane
Anyways, I understand now that the speed was lower than I thought, but that changes little of what I said.
To be honest Im not sure whats the right reaction in this case.
I think its a good solution to talk about incidents but without being disrespectful, 1st I think its obvious that I cant learn anything from this incident to improve in similar situations because Im not spiderman and 2nd I have the feeling that Kimmo is not really willing to talk.
However if someone has some piece of advise Im always open to hear it.
I just want to say that I see big safety problem for future races if kimmo is neither willing to talk nor willing to see a mistake
I think you have handled the situation 100% according to "the PrestoGP way". Reading this discussion earlier I thought to myself, it would be interesting to see the situation onboard from Jonas' view, and what do you know, moments later you post the video! So perfect work Jonas! EDIT: I agree with Kennett that your first post was not perfect, I would have avoided using words like respectless as that immediatly sets the tone of the arguement. But that is minor stuff and I can understand that you were provoked (but next time, be strong my friend and keep it friendly, then this post would probably be much shorter
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Kennett:
In a way I was thrilled when I read this thread, because every post (except Kimmo's) more or less reflected my own thoughts. And that is what we have always been working towards, to have the same idea of how to race, what to do and not do in different situations etc, or in short, be in sync. There, when I came to your post I was a bit shocked. Not so much by the fact that you defended Kimmo, but rather your conviction that this incident was 50/50 and that you believe that everybody else are wrong.
I think one of the core problems behind this dispute is that I believe for all league members (with the exception of you and Kimmo)
it is obvious that this could not have been avoided by Jonas, and after watching the onboard cam of Jonas I am convinced. Remember, many of us have a lot of sim league racing experience and we know what we are talking about. This has nothing to do that one driver is Jonas and the other is Kimmo, it is what we see in the videos combined with our experience.
And we all know it is important that everybody are in sync, so seeing Kimmo arguing against the flow is a worry sign.
So I guess my point is, what you see as everybody turning against Kimmo is rather all league members reaching the same conclusions after watching the videos and reading the post; this could only have been avoided by Kimmo. And now I would like to quote a wise man:
Just to be clear, the crash could also have happend with your best intentions to avoid it. So it would have been a race incident which we wouldn't need to discuss that much.
We are all allowed to make mistakes, but then we are expected to deal with it constructively and in the way that is required. It is a golden rule at PrestoGP that all incidents with other cars much be reported and dealt with constructively.
To sum up:
-We see Kimmo make a post where no incident with other car has happened, no probs so far
-We see a post of Jonas with a video that for all (save you and Kimmo) shows an incident where it seems very unlikely that Jonas can avoid it, a clear incident that should have been mentioned by Kimmo.
-When Kimmo responds he seems (for us) to have a very strage analysis of the incident,
-It is then correct of other members to interfere and tell Kimmo constrctively what he is doing wrong.
-I agree with all that is said by everyone, except that I would have toned down Jonas' first post slightly (but no biggie) and obviously David's temper is, well, as it seems impossible to control I guess "we" have decided to see it as colourful
(No offense David)
Kimmo:
I guess all the above stuff sais it all. You have said you will leave the league and that is probably the best solution. I understand that you have a different view of the incident, but please believe me when I say that nobody were out to "get you", they just all happend to disagree with you. In such situations it is a good idea to look at the situation in perspective and ask yourself, am I correct and 10 others wrong or vise versa?