Assetto Corsa Developer Aris Vasilakos Resigns From Kunos Simulazioni

Leonardo Ratafiá said:

Ciao @Aristotelis We will always love you and will never be thankful enough

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Actually ciao means hello

And also goodbye.

M0dernT1mes said:

Well people buy 4k TV's to watch 4k movies, not 480p ones. Same goes for motion. Why buy it for then be using it on a sim where motion is an afterthought?

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I bought a 4k TV because there are no FullHD TV's available anymore. Many TV stations in my country are still sending in 720x576 SD resolution.

Badwheels said:

I think you should explain why they were kicked off. Was it legitimate criticism of the product or the endless whining we constantly see from people who have never driven a car in anger?

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do not mistake criticize and insulting. For the last I m too old

Well, I heard "stories", where owners of cars sent video footage for constructive criticism how their cars really behave, and they were banned. (I don't know where/If can I find these people now, because it's been so many years.) They also didn't listen to ACC BOP criticism, and doubled down. Jardier made a very constructive critique on their forum, and he was attacked.

So all in all, I think being acquired by Digital Bros in 2017, financial success with ACC,... blinded them.

Anyhow, I respect Aris, chatted with him many times, and no one can deny his huge contribution to sim racing. I wish him the best.

But I think there's a legitimate concern about AC2. I hope it makes a step forward with physics simulation, retain good modding support and everything we now expect in 2024. But if you listened to Aris, they didn't expect the rise of a huge modding scene. Many car manufacturers contacted them and demanded to remove (modded) cars from AC1. So that's one of the reasons why I have a bad feeling about AC2. I think it won't be as open as AC1 was.

Let's hope for the best...

UnixRoot said:

Can't Kunos just kidnap Niels?

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LOL, after all he refused to work on Madness and quit Reiza.

kilder said:

And also goodbye.

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Aloha.

Matt_SI said:

Well, I heard "stories", where owners of cars sent video footage for constructive criticism how their cars really behave, and they were banned. (I don't know where/If can I find these people now, because it's been so many years.) They also didn't listen to ACC BOP criticism, and doubled down. Jardier made a very constructive critique on their forum, and he was attacked.

So all in all, I think being acquired by Digital Bros in 2017, financial success with ACC,... blinded them.

Anyhow, I respect Aris, chatted with him many times, and no one can deny his huge contribution to sim racing. I wish him the best.

But I think there's a legitimate concern about AC2. I hope it makes a step forward with physics simulation, retain good modding support and everything we now expect in 2024. But if you listened to Aris, they didn't expect the rise of a huge modding scene. Many car manufacturers contacted them and demanded to remove (modded) cars from AC1. So that's one of the reasons why I have a bad feeling about AC2. I think it won't be as open as AC1 was.

Let's hope for the best...

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I definitely lost respect for him after his row with Fredrik Sorlie. Won't deny his work and contributions, but he never handled well the interactions when being even slightly challenged.

pai said:

I definitely lost respect for him after his row with Fredrik Sorlie. Won't deny his work and contributions, but he never handled well the interactions when being even slightly challenged.

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…. maybe a genius in his discipline but also a dumb

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This is why I never compare sims to real life only to each other.
Big difference.

However there are real life situations you can compare.
Dynamic AI behaviour.
You only have to watch real races of the same cars to understand this.
ISIMotor may be old and flawed and bugged but it leaves the rest in the dust in this regard. imho

Also object collisions.
rF2 a car hits a gate, then the gate hits another car and upsets it's path.
This will go on and on, tyre rolls down road car hits it, car verves and understeers, tyre changes course hits bump and bounces ....calculations never stop.

That is realtime dynamics
All other sims I drive this aspect are nothing but canned fantasy ?

jgf said:

It always amazes me how many "experts" there are in the sim community who have never turned a single lap on a track. Most have never even driven a high performance car.

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While there is value in driving a real car, no doubt. It doesn't guarantee a person will perceive details that matter in evaluating realism. There will be real drivers, even amazing drivers who will only need to be able to catch an oversteer as they also would be able to do IRL, and that will mean good realism to them. There are also a lot of great real life drivers that engineers has to decode their feedback when setuping the cars, because some of them has no idea what is going on, they just can drive very well.

Do you think Aris drove every car he made, or had drivers with real car experience evaluating each one ? Do not underestimate data, knowledge and ability to observe. You mustn't drive a car IRL to have an idea how it works. The key phrase there is "how it works", because feel might and most likely will be quite different IRL. Also, I think, you can't judge a sim immediately, you have to get used to it and it might take some hours to adapt.

Durge Driven said:

However there are real life situations you can compare.
Dynamic AI behaviour.
You only have to watch real races of the same cars to understand this.
ISIMotor may be old and flawed and bugged but it leaves the rest in the dust in this regard. imho

Also object collisions.
rF2 a car hits a gate, then the gate hits another car and upsets it's path.
This will go on and on, tyre rolls down road car hits it, car verves and understeers, tyre changes course hits bump and bounces ....calculations never stop.

That is realtime dynamics
All other sims I drive this aspect are nothing but canned fantasy ?

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Give any subject, any at all and Durge will make it about rF2.

You only need to hear what RL racers say.
It is always like " Yeah at the end of the day there is only so much you can do in a simulator "
or words to that affect.
Thing is they have access to cutting edge simulator technology as reference.
Not G27 with loadcell kit, no offence meant.

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jgf said:

If you have never driven a Corvette, even the street car, can you make any authoritative comments on how well it is modeled in a sim? The most you can say is that it performs as you would expect.

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That could be interesting discussion. Would be interesting to hear what experienced and well known physics makers, like Aris, would say about that.

In my opinion you can tell a lot without driving. And in some instances you don't even need videos, pictures are not only enough but can even make it easier to spot details when they are perceivable. It is possible to observe: roll, dive, squat, wheel travels, understeer and oversteer characteristics, wheelspins, tire lockups, how they returns from slides, how they are at low speeds, how they are at high speeds, how sharp and responsive it is, how they are at specific locations that you also have in sim, jumps, compressions, kerbs. Through onboards you can obtain some clue about steering, and general effort of control. From external cameras you can see similar things like you can see from pictures, but live, which will include how fast every movement is, is there any twitching and so on a lot more characteristics to name...

Then combine it even with most basic data, performance figures and at least a pinch of proper knowledge and you will guarantee build a better picture in your mind than many drivers ever had after factually pushing a particular car to the limit IRL.

Also when you have some similar cars correct, similar features correct, you can extrapolate to similar cars.

Then when you begin working on simualting a car, you begin to build even better picture if you have an ability to see if certain parameters makes it to behave closer or further from the "truth".

Sadly there is no method to evaluate this percentage of "truth". Would be nice if more of these real drivers would speak up in some ways, but that rarely happens for some reason. And when it happens it is almost like there is even more confusion than before.

One thing I know, that Corvette made by Some1 1.1 update dont perform as a Vette irl.

Andrew_WOT said:

Give any subject, any at all and Durge will make it about rF2.

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Take a second to consider those ...